Show that the eigenvalues of a hermitian operator are real.

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The discussion focuses on proving that the eigenvalues of a Hermitian operator are real and that the expectation value of the Hamiltonian is also real. A participant outlines their approach by demonstrating the Hermitian property through the relationship Tmn = (Tnm)* and emphasizes the necessity for measurement outcomes to be real. They reference a proof from Griffiths, showing that if Q^ f = q f, then q must equal its complex conjugate, confirming the reality of eigenvalues. Further clarification is sought on transitioning from the proof to demonstrating the reality of expectation values, with suggestions to utilize the integral form of expectation values and definitions related to Hermitian operators. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding inner products and the properties of self-adjoint operators in quantum mechanics.
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Homework Statement



Show that the eigenvalues of a hermitian operator are real. Show the expectation value of the hamiltonian is real.

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How do i approach this question? I can show that the operator is hermitian by showing that Tmn = (Tnm)* with no problems.

I know that the outcome of a measurement must be real, so;

<Q> = <Q>*

Do I need to apply a Hermitian operator to a wave function, and determine the expectation value and show that this satisfys the above condition?

And if so how do i show this in general?

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I have found the following proof (Intro to quantum mechanics, griffiths)

Suppose Q^ f = q f, (1)

(f(x) is an eigenfunction of Q^ , with eigenvlaue q), and;

< f l Q^ f > = < Q^ f l f > (2)

then

q < f l f > = q* < f l f > (3)

as < f l f > cannot be zero, then q must equal q*, and thus the eigen values are real.

Is it possible to do this proof in intergral form? I kind of understand this, but any additional explanation of the step between (2) and (3) would be really helpfull.

How do I follow on from this to show that the expectation value must also be real?

I know this isn't hard but have managed to confuse myself, and advice would be greatly appreciated.

Leo
 
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Remind yourself what the integral form of expectation value is. Write it down, then remember what was taught in your class about these inner products. :) Should be simple from there.
 
Do you have somewhere in your notes a definition for the expectation value of an observable represented by an operator A in an arbitrary state represented by a unit vector \psi ? Use it and use the fact that, if A can be chosen for simplicity as only posessing a spectrum made up only of eigenvalues and A is self-adjoint, the Hilbert space A <lives> in admits a denumerable basis made up only from A's eigenvectors. On a second thought, trash that. It's an unnecessary complication. Just use the definition of expectation value and the one for hermiticity (or symmetry for the mathematically minded reader).
 

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