Show that the Hydrogen wave functions are normalized

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the normalization of the hydrogen wave functions, specifically the (1,0,0) and (2,0,0) states. Participants are tasked with demonstrating that these wave functions are properly normalized, which involves evaluating integrals over the respective wave functions in spherical coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to integrate over the correct limits for spherical coordinates, questioning the appropriateness of their initial integration limits and whether they are using the correct equations for normalization.
  • Some participants suggest using a three-dimensional integral and clarify the limits for r, θ, and φ.
  • There is a focus on evaluating the integrals correctly, with some participants expressing confusion over the results and the integration process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants providing insights and corrections regarding the integration process. Some participants have suggested that the integrals may not have been evaluated correctly, while others have pointed out the need for a consistent approach to the three-dimensional integral. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the current approaches, but productive dialogue is taking place.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the information they can share. There is an emphasis on showing work and clarifying steps taken in the integration process.

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Homework Statement


Show that the (1,0,0) and (2,0,0) wave functions are properly normalized.
We know that:

Ψ(1,0,0) = (2/(a0^(3/2))*e^(-r/a0)*(1/sqrt(2))*(1/sqrt(2*pi))

where:
R(r) = (2/(a0^(3/2))*e^(-r/a0)
Θ(θ) = (1/sqrt(2))
Φ(φ) = (1/sqrt(2*pi))

Homework Equations


(1) ∫|Ψ|^2 dx = 1
(2) |R(r)|^2*|Θ(θ)|^2*|Φ(φ)|^2*r^2*sinθ dr dθ dφ ... (? might be useful)

The Attempt at a Solution


So I know that in order for a function to be properly normalized, it has to have the absolute value of the sine wave squared equal to 1. I originally integrated from negative inf to positive inf, but that did not give me 1 = 1. I tried looking to see where I went wrong but I found equation (2) in my book, but wasn't sure how to integrate that. What am I doing wrong? I think my limits of integration might be wrong because I was doing:

(3) ∫ ((2/(a0^(3/2))*e^(-r/a0)*(1/sqrt(2))*(1/sqrt(2*pi)))^2 dr = 1 from - inf to + inf

and not worrying about that sin θ thing I mentioned earlier.

Do I need to be using equation (2)? How do I find limits of integration? I know that - infinity doesn't make sense for r, so maybe it is just from 0 to infinity with equation 3 maybe?
 
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## r ## goes from 0 to ## +\infty ##. ## \theta ## goes from ## 0 ## to ## \pi ##, and ## \phi ## goes from 0 to ## 2 \pi ##.
 
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You need to integrate over all space, so it's going to be a three-dimensional integral. You need to use (2).
 
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Okay, so since I was given what R(r), Θ(θ), and Φ(φ) is, I came up with this equation from what vela has suggested and integrating over what Charles said:

∫∫|R(r)|^2*r^2*sinθ dr dθ for r from 0 to inf and theta from 0 to pi

(1/pi*a0^3) ∫∫ e^(-2r/a0)*r^2*sinθ dr dθ

When evaluating the dr integral using a table of integrals, I get the value of 0. Now when evaluating the dθ integral I get -cosθ from 0 to pi, which results in 2. Why is this still not giving me 1?

Thanks guys :)
 
Because you’re doing it wrong. You need to show your work. We can’t tell what you did otherwise.
 
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Alright, so the table in my book gives me the ##R(r)##, ##Θ(θ)##, and ##Φ(φ)## for (1,0,0). We know that
$$\int \left | \psi \right| ^2 = 1 $$ and
$$\left| R(r) \right| ^2 ~ \left| Θ(θ) \right| ^2 ~ \left| Φ(φ) \right| ^2 ~ r^2 ~ sinθ ~ dr ~ dθ ~ dφ $$ and
$$\psi = \left| R(r) \right| ^2 ~ \left| Θ(θ) \right| ^2 ~ \left| Φ(φ) \right| ^2$$
Therefore, we can say that
$$\int_0^\infty \int_0^\pi \left| \psi \right| ^2 ~ r^2 ~ sinθ ~ dr ~ dθ = 1$$

Okay, so now I just plug in my values for ##\psi## which gave me the integral:
$$\int_0^\infty \int_0^\pi \frac {4} {4 \pi a_0^3} e^{-2r/a_0} r^2 sin \theta ~ dr ~ d\theta$$
Pull the constants out:
$$\frac {1} {\pi a_0^3} \int_0^\infty \int_0^\pi r^2 e^{-2r/a_0} sin \theta ~ dr ~ d\theta$$

Evaluating the ##dr## integral by using a table of integrals:
$$\int_0^\infty r^2 e^{-2r/a_0} ~ dr = \left[ \frac {-e^{-2r/a_0}} {2/a_0} \left( r^2 + \frac {2r} {2/a_0} + \frac {2} {4/a_0^2} \right) \right]_0^\infty$$
##0 - 3.7*10^{-5} = 3.7*10^{-5}## when evaluating

Evaluating ##d\theta##
$$\int_0^\pi sin\theta ~ d\theta = \left[ -cos\theta \right]_0^\pi$$
##1 - \left( -1 \right) = 2##

Using values now:
$$\frac {1} {\pi a_0^3} \left[ 3.7*10^{-4} * 2 \right] = 4.5*10^{-4} \neq 1$$

I took a couple of hours to learn LaTeX hopefully that outlines my steps more clearly? I think I might be integrating the double integral wrong with my two steps which is why I can't get it to equal 1
 
If you wrote it correctly, I get ## (1/4 )a_o^3 ## for the ## dr ## integral. Also the ## \phi ## integral gives ## 2 \pi ##. I think the results work.
 
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Charles, how are you integrating for the ##\phi## integral? I don't have an equation for that, just a value for Φ(##\phi##) as seen from my response right above yours.
 
kneesarethebees said:
Therefore, we can say that
$$\int_0^\infty \int_0^\pi \left| \psi \right| ^2 ~ r^2 ~ sinθ ~ dr ~ dθ = 1$$
That is not correct. First, the order of the integral signs and the integration elements should be consistent. Second, this has to be a three-dimensional integral:
$$
\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^\pi \int_0^\infty \left| \psi \right| ^2 ~ r^2 ~ \sinθ ~ dr ~ dθ ~ d\phi = 1
$$
 
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kneesarethebees said:
Charles, how are you integrating for the ##\phi## integral? I don't have an equation for that, just a value for Φ(##\phi##) as seen from my response right above yours.
For ## A ## is a constant, ## \int\limits_{0}^{2 \pi} A \, d \phi=A \, \phi |_{0}^{2 \pi}=A [2 \pi-0]=A (2 \pi) ##. (It's as simple as they come, but you might be somewhat new to calculus, so I spelled it out in detail.)
 

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