Show that the Poisson Mass Function has the same value for λ and λ-1

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the Poisson Mass Function has the same value at λ and λ-1. The Poisson Mass Function is defined as p(x) = [e^(-λ) * λ^(x)]/(x!). Participants are exploring the implications of this relationship within the context of probability and statistics.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to substitute λ-1 into the Poisson Mass Function and are questioning how to mathematically prove the equality of p(x|λ) and p(x|λ-1). Some suggest letting p(x-1) equal p(x) and solving for x, while others express confusion about the relationship between λ and x.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved, with some participants offering insights into the nature of the parameter λ and its role in determining the values of the function. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the fixed nature of λ and the behavior of the function at consecutive integer values.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the homework problem, including the requirement to show the equality without providing complete solutions. There is mention of a graph that illustrates the relationship, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Show that, quite generally, the Poisson Mass Function has the same value at λ (i.e. the average) and at (λ-1).

Homework Equations


The Poisson Mass Function is
p(x) = [e^(-λ) * λ^(x)]/(x!)

The Attempt at a Solution


I started out by plugging in λ-1 into the equation to get p(x)= [e^(-λ-1) * (λ-1)^(x)]/(x!) but now I've gotten stuck. I'm not sure how to progress and prove this other than plug in different x and λ values. I've seen the graphs and such that indicate that λ and λ-1 share the same value, but I just can't figure out how to mathematically prove it.
 
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If I'm not mistaken, ## \lambda ## does not change in what you are trying to show. One thing you can do is let ## p(x-1)=p(x) ## and solve for ## x ##.
 
Thank you for the advice. I'm very confused as to how this would actually show that p(x|λ) = p(x|λ-1).
 
This one is quite simple I think. ## e ^ {-\lambda} * \lambda^ {(x-1)}/(x-1)!=e ^ {-\lambda} * \lambda^x/x! ## . A little algebra and you have the answer. (Note x is an integer here).
 
Oh, I see where I'm confused. I'm not looking to solve for x-1, but rather λ-1. x remains x for this equation.
 
Charles Link said:
If I'm not mistaken, ## \lambda ## does not change in what you are trying to show. One thing you can do is let ## p(x-1)=p(x) ## and solve for ## x ##.

I reread this, and so I've attached the homework question (and the mentioned graph) to better help describe what I'm getting at. I'm very lost how to prove this.http://imgur.com/NyuuHmT
 
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## \lambda ## is a parameter that is pre-selected that gives the shape of the curve. For a given ## \lambda ## there will be two consecutive integers, x-1 and x that have the same value for ## p ## i.e. ## p(x-1)=p(x) ##. That equation, in post #4 is easy to solve. ## x!/(x-1)!=x ##. I could show you the rest, but the Forum rules want the OP to do some of the work. When you get this answer for ## x ## it tells you where this "peak" occurs, i.e. for a given pre-selected ## \lambda ##, where the ## p ## function levels off with two equal values before it drops back down. If ## p(x) ## were a continuous function, you would set ## dp(x)/dx=0 ## to find this peak. Instead, ## x ## has only integer values, so you set ## p ## equal for two consecutive integers.
 
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Dakarai said:
Thank you for the advice. I'm very confused as to how this would actually show that p(x|λ) = p(x|λ-1).

No: look at the diagram you supplied. The parameter ##\lambda## is fixed, and you are being asked to show that ##p(x|\lambda) = p(x-1|\lambda)## when ##x = \lambda##. That's all.
 
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