Show that the total magnetic force on the loop is zero

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The problem involves a closed wire loop carrying a current in a uniform magnetic field, with the objective of demonstrating that the total magnetic force on the loop is zero.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the force on small elements of the wire and the implications of integrating these forces around the loop. Questions arise regarding the nature of the magnetic field and its conservativeness, as well as the interpretation of the integral of the length elements around the loop.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem, including the mathematical formulation of the forces and the properties of the magnetic field. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of the magnetic field as constant during integration, but there is no explicit consensus on the reasoning behind the conservativeness of the magnetic field.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions and properties of magnetic fields, particularly in relation to conservative fields and path independence. There is an emphasis on understanding the integral of the length elements around the loop.

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Homework Statement


a closed wire loop with current I is in a uniform magnetic field B

show that the total magnetic force on the loop is zero


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The Attempt at a Solution


everywhere that I've looked just states it without explaining why
 
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think of force acting on a small element of the wire which is carrying current I.
Its given by

[tex]\vec{dF}= I\; \vec{dl}\times \vec{B}[/tex]

so for the loop the total force acting on it would be

[tex]\vec{F} = I\; \oint\left(\vec{dl}\times \vec{B}\right)[/tex]

so what can you say about this integral around the loop , where dl is length
element ?
 
the loop integral is zero because it's a conservative field?
but why is a magnetic field conservative? why would it be path independent?
 
well, the loop is kept in a constant magnetic field B. and its carrying current I.
since B is constant, we can take it out of integral.

[tex] \vec{F} = I\; \left( \oint\vec{dl}\right) \times \vec{B}[/tex]

now, what is integral ? isn't it the net displacement from some point to itself in the loop
(we are adding infinitesimally small vector elements around the loop) so what is it ?
 

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