Show that this is a solution of Laplace's eqn

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The problem involves showing that a transformed function v(x,y) derived from a solution u(x,y) of Laplace's equation is also a solution. The transformation involves a rotation defined by a fixed angle theta, and the context is within the subject area of partial differential equations, specifically Laplace's equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss taking derivatives and applying the multivariable chain rule to explore the relationship between u and v. There is uncertainty about the independence of the transformed variables s and t, leading to questions about the implications of this dependence on the validity of the solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and expressing apprehensions about the implications of variable dependence. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of derivatives, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of the results or the independence of the variables.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the transformation and the nature of the variables involved. There is a concern about the linearity of Laplace's equation and how it applies to the transformed variables, as well as the potential complexity introduced by the chain rule.

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Homework Statement



Suppose that u(x,y) is a solution of Laplace's equation. If theta is a fixed real number and [tex]v(x,y)=u(xcos\theta-ysin\theta,xsin\theta+ycos\theta)[/tex]
show that v is a solution also.

Homework Equations



[tex]\nabla^{2}u(x,y)=0[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



To be honest I haven't gotten anywhere. I have tried just taking the derivatives and seeing what would happen but that didn't get me anywhere (turned ugly fast in other words). I know that Laplace's equation is linear and I bet this has something to do with it but I can't find the way to separate them. I am guessing this problem is supposed to be a quick exercise but it is not clicking with me.
 
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Taking derivatives sounds like a fine idea to me. Multi variable chain rules can be messy, but just slog through it and get the final answer. It's good for you
 
Let's see the solution please...
 
Will do, I just figured there would be a linearity trick (or change of variables) that does it in 0.73 seconds. But if not I'll just do the multivariable chain rule stuff. I'll report back.
 
Ok, I think I arrived at something, just one more logical hurdle for me.

I set

[tex]s=xcos\theta-ysin\theta[/tex]

and

[tex]t=xsin\theta+ycos\theta[/tex]

Then

[tex]\nabla^{2}v(x,y)=\nabla^{2}u(s,t)[/tex]

After that I differentiated using many a chain rule to arrive at this

[tex]\nabla^{2}u(s,t)=\frac{\partial ^{2} u(s,t)}{\partial s^{2}}+\frac{\partial^{2}u(s,t)}{\partial t ^{2}}[/tex]

I am a little iffy on how to interpret this. My apprehension is because s and t are not independent variables as far as I can see, they both depend on things (implicitly) that the other one depends on (x and y). If they were independent I would say, there, it is shown since this

[tex]\frac{\partial ^{2} u(x,y)}{\partial x ^{2}}+\frac{\partial ^{2} u(x,y)}{\partial y ^{2}}=0[/tex]

is true by definition and then why would it be any different for switching the variables to s and t? But if s and t aren't independent then it seems to me that we have a problem. I have always had this type of apprehension in these types of problems, can someone clear this up once and for all? When does the implicitness matter and when doesn't it?
 
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[tex]\nabla^{2}u(s,t)=\frac{\partial ^{2} u(s,t)}{\partial s^{2}}+\frac{\partial^{2}u(s,t)}{\partial t ^{2}}[/tex]

I am a little iffy on how to interpret this. My apprehension is because I think s and t are not independent variables, they both depend on things (implicitly) that the other one depends on (x and y). If they were independent I would say, we are done and it is shown since this

[tex]\frac{\partial ^{2} u(x,y)}{\partial x ^{2}}+\frac{\partial ^{2} u(x,y)}{\partial y ^{2}}=0[/tex]

is true by definition and then why would it be any different for switching the variables to s and t? But if s and t aren't independent then it seems to me that we have a problem. I have always had this type of apprehension in these types of problems, can someone clear this up once and for all? When does the implicitness matter and when doesn't it?

Can anyone offer any insight into this?
 
[tex]\left[<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \text{cos}(\theta ) & -\text{sin}(\theta ) \\<br /> \text{sin}(\theta ) & \text{cos}(\theta )<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]\left[<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> x \\<br /> y<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]=\left[<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> s \\<br /> t<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right][/tex]

The matrix is non singular doesn't that imply independence?
 

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