Showing a vector space is infinite dimensional

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The problem involves demonstrating that the vector space of all functions mapping real numbers to real numbers, denoted as \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}), is infinite dimensional. The original poster is working through a proof that involves considering a set of functions defined by f_n(x) = e^{nx} for n in the natural numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to show that \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}) is infinite dimensional by assuming it is finite dimensional and deriving a contradiction based on linear independence of a set of functions.
  • Some participants question the completeness of the original poster's proof, specifically regarding the linear independence of the extended set of functions.
  • Others suggest alternative approaches, such as demonstrating the existence of a linearly independent subset with infinitely many members.
  • There is discussion about the implications of the definition of a basis and the nature of spanning sets in the context of infinite dimensional spaces.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback and suggestions for clarifying the proof. There is recognition that the original poster has made progress but may need to address certain assumptions and definitions more thoroughly. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the nature of the functions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the definitions of linear independence and spanning sets in the context of infinite dimensional vector spaces. There is also mention of the need for additional information about the functions in \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}) beyond their mapping properties.

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Homework Statement



This is only part of a problem I am working on, but the only part that I have questions about is the following:

Show that \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}) is infinite dimensional.

Homework Equations



\mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}) is the set of all functions that map real numbers to real numbers.
f_n is the function defined by the rule f_n(x) = e^{nx} for n \in \mathbb{N}

The Attempt at a Solution



Suppose \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}) is finite dimensional.
This means that there exists a finite basis for \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}).
Consider the set of vectors \mathcal{E} = \{ f_1, f_2, \dotsc, f_n \} for some n \in \mathbb{N}.
Suppose \mathcal{E} is a basis for \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}), and consider the vector f_{n+1} in \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}).
Since \mathcal{E} spans \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}), we see that f_{n+1} \in \text{span}\{\mathcal{E}\}.
This means that
f_{n+1} = \sum_{k=1}^n a_k f_k = a_1 f_1 + a_2 f_2 + \dotsb + a_n f_n
for some a_1, a_2, \dotsc, a_n \in \mathbb{R}.
Equivalently, this means that
a_1 f_1 + a_2 f_2 + \dotsb + a_n f_n - f_{n+1} = 0. \quad \quad (1)
It has been shown that \{ f_1, f_2, \dotsc, f_{n+1} \} is linearly independent.
This means that each coefficient of f_i equals 0 for i = 1, 2, \dotsc, n+1.
But this is impossible, as -1 \neq 0.
Hence, \mathcal{E} does not span \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}).

I feel like I have't shown that \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}) is infinite dimensional.
It seems like I have shown that *some* finite bases do not work for \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}).
I think that I am close, but I think there is something missing.
Could someone point me in the right direction to finish this proof?

Thank you!
 
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tylerc1991 said:

Homework Statement



This is only part of a problem I am working on, but the only part that I have questions about is the following:

Show that \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}) is infinite dimensional.

Homework Equations



\mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}) is the set of all functions that map real numbers to real numbers.
f_n is the function defined by the rule f_n(x) = e^{nx} for n \in \mathbb{N}

The Attempt at a Solution



Suppose \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}) is finite dimensional.
This means that there exists a finite basis for \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}).
Consider the set of vectors \mathcal{E} = \{ f_1, f_2, \dotsc, f_n \} for some n \in \mathbb{N}.
Suppose \mathcal{E} is a basis for \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}), and consider the vector f_{n+1} in \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}).
Since \mathcal{E} spans \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}), we see that f_{n+1} \in \text{span}\{\mathcal{E}\}.
This means that
f_{n+1} = \sum_{k=1}^n a_k f_k = a_1 f_1 + a_2 f_2 + \dotsb + a_n f_n
for some a_1, a_2, \dotsc, a_n \in \mathbb{R}.
Equivalently, this means that
a_1 f_1 + a_2 f_2 + \dotsb + a_n f_n - f_{n+1} = 0. \quad \quad (1)
It has been shown that \{ f_1, f_2, \dotsc, f_{n+1} \} is linearly independent.
Where has this been shown? Certainly not in your work leading up to this statement. What you have is that {f1, f2, ..., fn} is a basis, so those vectors are a linearly independent set, but you haven't shown that {f1, f2, ..., fn, fn+1} is a linearly independent set.
tylerc1991 said:
This means that each coefficient of f_i equals 0 for i = 1, 2, \dotsc, n+1.
But this is impossible, as -1 \neq 0.
Hence, \mathcal{E} does not span \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}).

I feel like I have't shown that \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}) is infinite dimensional.
It seems like I have shown that *some* finite bases do not work for \mathcal{F}(\mathbb{R}).
I think that I am close, but I think there is something missing.
Could someone point me in the right direction to finish this proof?

Thank you!
 
You can also do this problem by showing there exist a linearly independent subset that has infinite many members (countably infinite is fine).
 
Mark44 said:
Where has this been shown? Certainly not in your work leading up to this statement. What you have is that {f1, f2, ..., fn} is a basis, so those vectors are a linearly independent set, but you haven't shown that {f1, f2, ..., fn, fn+1} is a linearly independent set.

I mentioned at the beginning of the post that this question was part of a greater question that I am working on. I have shown that they are linearly independent, but for the sake of practicality I decided to leave it out.
 
deluks917 said:
You can also do this problem by showing there exist a linearly independent subset that has infinite many members (countably infinite is fine).

True, but I have to appeal to the definition of a basis that we are using. By definition, a basis for a vector space V is a set that
i) is linearly independent
ii) spans V

The definition of span for an infinite set is the set of all finite linear combinations of elements of the set, so it would be awkward (I am thinking) so show that this infinite set spans the space.
 
OK then. Since you have already shown that the n+1 functions are lin. independent, which contradicts the (tacit) assumption that the dimension of your space is n.
 
Sheesh, taking mathematics to a whole new level of coldness :). Thank you for your (terse) help on the matter. The question is moot now anyway, as I can't assume what the functions are that span the space. Back to square 1 ...
 
Mark44 said:
OK then. Since you have already shown that the n+1 functions are lin. independent, which contradicts the (tacit) assumption that the dimension of your space is n.

tylerc1991 said:
Sheesh, taking mathematics to a whole new level of coldness :). Thank you for your (terse) help on the matter. The question is moot now anyway, as I can't assume what the functions are that span the space. Back to square 1 ...
Sorry, I didn't mean to seem brusque. All I meant was that with that new information (that you already showed that the n + 1 functions were linearly independent), your proof looked OK.
 
Do you have any more information than you've shown about the functions in your space? IOW, is there anything more given than they map a real to a real?

For example, if the functions are continuous and infinitely differentiable, they can be represented by Taylor series, with one possible basis being {1, x, x2, ...}.
 

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