Showing Closed Sets are Not Necessarily Open in Metric Spaces

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The discussion revolves around the properties of closed sets in metric spaces, specifically examining the nature of the sets defined by the infimum of distances to a closed set. The original poster presents a problem involving the definition of sets G_n and their relationship to open sets.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants explore the definitions of the sets G_n, questioning whether the use of infimum or supremum affects the openness of these sets. They discuss the implications of these definitions on the nature of G_n and whether they can be expressed in terms of open balls.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing differing viewpoints on the definitions and implications of using infimum versus supremum. Some participants suggest that the original definition is correct, while others question the necessity of the infimum and explore alternative interpretations. There is no explicit consensus, but the discussion is productive in clarifying the definitions involved.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the definitions of closed and open sets, as well as the implications of boundary points in the context of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the importance of precise definitions in metric spaces.

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"Let (X,d) be a metrix space, and let F[tex]\subset[/tex]X be closed. Define G_n to be the set of all those points x in X such that

inf { d(x,y) : y in F } < 1/n

Use these sets G_n to show that a countable intersection of open sets need not be open."

I think the question meant sup { d(x,y) : y in F } < 1/n }, not inf.

Actually I don't think sup or inf should be there at all. If the question meant sup, then Gn are not necessarily open.
 
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No, they definitely meant inf. We have:

[tex]G_n = \{x \in X\, :\, \inf \{d(x,y)\, :\, y \in F\} < 1/n\}[/tex]

A better way to look at Gn is this:

[tex]G_n = \bigcup _{y \in F} B(y,\, 1/n)[/tex]

where B(y,1/n) is the open ball about y with radius 1/n. Prove that this really is an equivalent way to look at Gn. Prove (very very easily) that each Gn is open. Figure out what Gn is in terms of F.
 
Wouldn't it say the exact same thing if inf were replaced by sup?
 
No, not even close. Why would you think you could interchange inf and sup without it making a difference? If F is a closed ball of radius 2, then for all natural n, Gn defined with an "inf" is an open ball of radius 2 + 1/n. On the other hand, Gn defined with a "sup" would be empty for all n. Basically, the "inf" definition says that Gn is the set of points y such that there is SOME x in F such that y is close to x. A "sup" definition would say that Gn is the set of points Y such that y is close to EVERY x in F.
 
Most certainly not. Think about the usual metric in R, with F=[0,1]. Then G_n = (-1/n, 1+1/n), when we use inf. Suppose we were to use sup, we would get G_n is empty (for sufficiently large n), since the sup requirement would mean a point would have to be within 1/n of both 0 and 1.
 
Nevermind, I thought in terms of boundary points. That is, the set of points in F and those that are less than 1/n away from F. Simple mix up.
 

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