Composition Series and simple groups

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The discussion centers on the challenge of finding a group with a composition series of length 1 and a subgroup of length m, specifically for m ≥ 2. Participants clarify that simple groups inherently have a composition series of length 1, leading to the conclusion that G must be a simple group. The conversation explores the cyclic group of order p as a candidate for G, but participants express confusion regarding the existence of a subgroup H with the required properties, indicating a need for further understanding of group structure and modular arithmetic.

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Homework Statement


For each m >= 2, find a group with a composition series of length 1 with a subgroup of length m.



Homework Equations


Simple groups iff length 1.

If G is abelian of order p1^k1...pr^kr, then length G = k1 + ... + kr

If G has a composition series and K is normal subgroup of G, then Length G = Length K + Length G/K



The Attempt at a Solution



I don't really see how this is even possible considering the fact that simple groups have length 1. So this means that G must be a simple group. I do not understand how to get a group of length m from a simple group.

I think I'm getting somewhere with this:

What I was thinking was have G = the cyclic group of order p. Then G would have length 1

Then I thought to Let H be a subgroup of G such that |G:H|=p^m, so if G=<a>, st |a|=p, then H=<a^p^(m+1)>

But this doesn't really work because the subgroup would have higher order than G right? Am I missing something, like modular arithmetic?

Any light you guys could shed would be appreciated
Thanks
 
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Fix m, and let G be an abelian group of length m. Can you put G inside a simple group? (What simple groups do you know?)
 

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