Showing that the Ratio of Two Expressions is Always Greater Than 1

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The discussion revolves around comparing two mathematical expressions related to a proof by Huygens concerning collisions. Participants aim to show that one expression is always greater than the other under specific conditions, particularly focusing on the ratio of these expressions and its behavior when one variable is the geometric mean of two others.

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  • One participant introduces two expressions and seeks to demonstrate that the second expression is always larger than the first under the condition that ##x
  • Another participant defines a function based on the ratio of the two expressions and calculates its first and second derivatives to analyze its behavior, concluding that it has a local minimum at ##y = \sqrt{xz}##.
  • A different participant suggests an algebraic approach to show that the ratio is less than 1, leading to a series of algebraic transformations and inequalities that must hold true.
  • Some participants express curiosity about alternative methods to prove the inequality, particularly from a strictly algebraic perspective.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the best method to demonstrate the inequality. Multiple approaches are discussed, including calculus and algebra, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the implications of their findings.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the values of ##x##, ##y##, and ##z##, particularly that they are positive and ordered. The implications of these assumptions on the validity of the arguments presented are not fully resolved.

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I was trying to follow a proof that Huygens wrote about collisions and was having a hard time deciphering his rather lengthy geometric presentation. Essentially I want to compare two expressions

$$\frac{2x}{x+z}$$
and
$$\frac{4xy}{(x+y)+(y+z)}$$

Where, for the sake of this thread let's say that ##x<y<z## But really all that Huygens requires is that y is an intermediate value; x does not need to be the smallest value.

What is to be shown is that the second expression is always larger than the first. Furthermore, it is at its largest when the value of y is the geometric mean of x and z. I chose to take the ratio of the expressions to get

$$\frac{(x+y)(y+z)}{2y(x+z)}$$

I guess I don't have much experience with this sort of thing; I'm not even sure how to go about the first part which perhaps seems rather trivial (or maybe not). Just to be clear - I'd like to show that the fraction above is always greater than 1 for ##x<y<z## and that this ratio is greatest when ##y=\sqrt{xz}## Can anybody offer either some insight or a suggestion of what to further study that would help me gain some experience for how to go about this? Huygens does it by using line segments to compare quantities and ultimately comparing areas formed by rectangles of the segments but, as I said, it was challenging to follow in detail.
 
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I will assume that ##0<x<y<z##.

Let ##f(y) = \frac{(x+y)(y+z)}{2y (x+z)}##. Then it is easily seen that
f^\prime(y) = \frac{y^2 - xz}{2y^2(x+z)}
We see that ##f^{\prime}(y) = 0## if and only if ##y = \sqrt{xz}##. This could be a local minimum or a local maximum. To see which, we find the second derivative:
f^{\prime\prime}(y) = \frac{xz}{y^3(x+z)}. This is always positive, so we have a local minimum.

Furthermore, since ##f^\prime(y)## only has one (positive) zero, it will be a global minimum on ##\mathbb{R}^+##.

On ##[x,z]##, the maxima will be attained in either ##x## or ##z##. We see that ##f(x) = 1## and ##f(z) = 1##. Thus we see that ##f(y)<1## for each ##y\in (x,z)##.
 
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Thanks for the reply. I can't believe it didn't occur to me to do that! I think after trying to decipher Huygens for half an hour I was resigned to use only the tools available to him! Just out of curiosity: can you think of a way to show this from a strictly algebraic approach?
 
To show that
\frac{(x+y)(y+z)}{2y(x+z)}&lt; 1,
it suffices to show that
(x+y)(y+z) &lt; 2y(x+z)
For this, it suffices to show that
xy + xz + yz + y^2 &lt; 2xy +2yz
which is equivalent with
xz + y^2 &lt; xy + yz
or
y^2 -(x+z)y + xz &lt;0
This is equivalent to
(y-x)(y-z)&lt;0
This is indeed true if ##y>x## and ##z>y##.

Now we wish to show that for all ##y>0##, we have
\frac{(x+\sqrt{xz})(\sqrt{xz} + z)}{2\sqrt{xz}(x+z)} \leq \frac{(x+y)(y+z)}{2y(x+z)}
which is equivalent to
(yx + yz)(x\sqrt{xz} + z\sqrt{xz} +2xz)\leq (x\sqrt{xz} + z\sqrt{xz})(xy + xz +yz + y^2)
which is equivalent to
yx^2\sqrt{xz} + 2xyz\sqrt{xz} +yz^2\sqrt{xz}+ 2x^2yz + 2xyz^2\leq x^2y\sqrt{xz} + x^2z\sqrt{xz} + 2xyz\sqrt{xz} + xy^2\sqrt{xz} + xz^2\sqrt{xz} + yz^2\sqrt{xz} + y^2z\sqrt{xz}
This reduces to
2x^2yz + 2xyz^2\leq x^2z\sqrt{xz} + xy^2\sqrt{xz} + xz^2\sqrt{xz}+y^2z\sqrt{xz}
or
(x+z)\sqrt{xz}y^2 -2xz(x + z)y + xz(x+z)\sqrt{xz}\geq 0
or
\sqrt{xz}y^2 -2xzy + xz\sqrt{xz}\geq 0
This is just
\sqrt{xz}(y - \sqrt{xz})^2 \geq 0
which is obviously true.
 
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