Sigma Sub/Sup i,j: Differences & Help

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The discussion centers around the differences between sigma with subscript indices (sigma sub i,j) and sigma with superscript indices (sigma sup i,j), as well as the interpretation of specific equations involving these notations in the context of physics, particularly in relation to the Dirac equation and tensor notation.

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  • One participant notes that sigma sub i,j and sigma sup i,j differ in their notation, with one being a Greek letter with subscripts and the other with superscripts, but emphasizes the need for context regarding their meanings in physics.
  • Another participant provides an equation involving sigma and expresses confusion about the term sigma_{\mu\nu}F^{\mu\nu}, asking for clarification on its meaning.
  • A different participant explains that sigma_{\mu\nu} refers to the mu'th-nu'th component of the tensor sigma and describes the implication of Einstein's summation convention in the context of the equation.
  • This participant also discusses the significance of upper and lower indices in tensor notation, providing a brief overview of how they relate to four-vectors and matrices in relativity.
  • The original poster later clarifies that the equation is from a homework problem related to the Dirac equation and expresses willingness to share more details about the problem.
  • A final post includes a specific equation for sigma^{\mu\nu} involving gamma matrices, contributing to the technical discussion.

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The discussion includes multiple viewpoints and interpretations regarding the notation and equations, with no consensus reached on the specific meanings or applications of the terms discussed.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the equations and concepts, indicating that some assumptions about prior knowledge may not be universally held. The discussion also reflects the complexity of tensor notation and its applications in physics.

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What's the difference between sigma sub i,j and sigma sup i,j??thanks.
 
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One is a Greek letter with two Latin subscripts, and the other is a Greek letter with two Latin superscripts.

Seriously, you have to say what the symbols mean before a question like this can be answered. Common meanings of sigma in physics include a Pauli matrix, a cross section, a conductivity, etc, etc.
 
It's [tex](\gamma^{\mu}(p_{\mu}-\frac{e}{c}A_{\mu})+\frac{Keh}{4mc^{2}}\sigma_{\mu\nu}F^{\mu\nu}-mc)\Psi=0[/tex].I don't know what [tex]\sigma_{\mu\nu}F^{\mu\nu}[/tex] means.[tex]F^{\mu\nu}=\frac{\partial_{A^{\mu}}}{\partial_{x_{\nu}}}-\frac{\partial_{A^{\nu}}}{\partial_{x_{\mu}}}[/tex].Can someone tell me?Help appreciated
 
I can't help you because I don't know that equation. However, I'm curious... what is that equation supposed to be about? :confused: :rolleyes:
 
In your equation,

[tex]\sigma_{\mu\nu}[/tex]

means the mu'th-nu'th component of the tensor (or matrix) sigma. When you have an expression like

[tex]\sigma_{\mu\nu}F^{\mu\nu}[/tex],

Einstein's summing convention is implied - that is, you should sum over repeated indices, in this case mu and nu, from zero to three. It is a kind of "dot product" between the matrices sigma and F. Typically, you will need to know [tex]\sigma_{\mu\nu}[/tex] for all mu and nu to actually calculate this. The difference between upper and lower indices is that (depending on convention), for a four-vector,

[tex]f^{\mu} = g^{\mu\nu}f_{\nu}[/tex]

where g is the 4x4 matrix that has zero in all positions when you're not on the diagonal, and it has 1 in its first diagonal position and -1 in the last three positions. Thus, [tex]f^0 = f_0[/tex], and [tex]f^i = -f_i[/tex] for i = 1, 2 or 3. For a matrix, we would then write

[tex]\sigma^{\mu\nu} = g^{\alpha\mu}g^{\beta\nu}\sigma_{\alpha\beta}[/tex]

It's not very simple, but this is standard notation in relativity, so if you get the hang of this, a lot of stuff becomes easier..
 
Thanks a lot for all your help.The equation is from one of my homework problems,it is kind of Dirac equation,"introduce an anomalous magnetic monent"-my homework states,:confused:.If you are interested,I can send you the whole problem:smile:(I'm working on it,I bet you won't like it)
 
[tex]\sigma^{\mu\nu}=\frac{i}{4}(\gamma^\mu\gamma^\nu-\gamma^\nu\gamma^\mu)[/itex][/tex]
 

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