Signal strength parameter (interpretation)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the signal strength parameter ##\mu##, particularly in the context of Higgs boson measurements and its comparison to Standard Model predictions. Participants explore the implications of values of ##\mu## being greater than or less than one, as well as the treatment of background data in these calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the interpretation of the signal strength parameter ##\mu##, specifically whether it relates solely to Higgs cross-section predictions or includes background contributions.
  • Others clarify that the background is subtracted before calculating ##\mu##, indicating that it reflects only the Higgs signal.
  • There is a question regarding the implications of ##\mu## values less than or greater than one, with some suggesting that >1 indicates a signal excess and <1 suggests a signal underestimation.
  • One participant raises a concern about the potential for background overestimation, questioning the validity of the subtraction process if such overestimation occurs.
  • Another participant asserts that overestimates should be corrected, but acknowledges that statistical fluctuations can lead to negative signal strength estimates.
  • Examples from previous data are cited to illustrate instances where negative signal strengths may arise due to large uncertainties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of background treatment and the interpretation of signal strength values. There is no consensus on how to handle cases of background overestimation or the significance of negative signal strength estimates.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is limited by the assumptions regarding background estimation and the statistical nature of the measurements, which may lead to uncertainties in the interpretation of ##\mu##.

ChrisVer
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How can in general the signal strength parameter ##\mu## be interpreted?

I am talking for the parameter defined in Eq.1 here and plots like the Fig.1 here:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1507.04548

It says that it's the ratio of the i->H->f of the observed over what's expected by the SM... is the last the cross section prediction of the Higgs or for any other background?
Then what would the <1 or >1 indicate? I think the >1 indicate a signal excess, while the <1 indicate a signal underestimation(?)
 
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ChrisVer said:
is the last the cross section prediction of the Higgs or for any other background?
Only Higgs. The background in data is subtracted before μ is calculated.
ChrisVer said:
Then what would the <1 or >1 indicate?
A deviation from the standard model. If μ=1 gets ruled out in some channel, things get interesting.
 
mfb said:
Only Higgs. The background in data is subtracted before μ is calculated.

Is that the case even if you have background overestimation compared to data?
 
I'm not sure if I understand your question. If you overestimate something, you are doing something wrong and should fix it, or not use what you cannot get right.
 
mfb said:
I'm not sure if I understand your question. If you overestimate something, you are doing something wrong and should fix it, or not use what you cannot get right.
Well it's not unusual to get overestimates like these [at <120 or 140GeV]:
http://cms.web.cern.ch/sites/cms.we...ZMass_7Plus8TeV_70-180_3GeV.png?itok=k2MlxuLT
In which case subtracting the estimates from data will result to negative values.
 
That is (hopefully) not an overestimate, just a statistical fluctuation. Yes, estimated signal strengths can be negative. As a random example, this ATLAS note has -0.4 +- 1.1 for VH -> Vbb in table 2. Note that it is consistent with 1, the uncertainties were just very large in 2012.
 

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