Signed up for calculus - too advanced for me

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The discussion revolves around a participant's concerns about the difficulty of an introductory university calculus course, particularly regarding their struggles with the algebra and trigonometry review. Participants explore whether the individual should drop the course or focus on strengthening their foundational math skills before proceeding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that struggling with algebra and trigonometry will likely lead to further difficulties in calculus, recommending a review of these subjects before attempting calculus.
  • Another participant agrees, emphasizing the importance of mastering algebra and trigonometry fundamentals to ease the transition into calculus.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that calculus is essentially an advanced form of algebra and geometry, advocating for a solid understanding of these basics.
  • One participant expresses a willingness to drop the calculus course and take a prerequisite course, questioning whether they could effectively cram algebra and trigonometry in a month.
  • Several participants recommend learning the review chapters quickly, suggesting a structured approach to cover topics daily, while acknowledging the potential challenges of this plan.
  • Concerns are raised about the ambitious timeline for mastering algebra and trigonometry, with some participants questioning the feasibility of the proposed study schedule.
  • Resources for review are mentioned, including problem-oriented books that could aid in understanding necessary concepts and provide practice problems.
  • One participant humorously contrasts the difficulty of calculus with that of abstract algebra, suggesting that calculus may not be as daunting as perceived.
  • Another participant notes that while the basic concepts of calculus (derivatives and integrals) are not overly difficult, the associated algebra and trigonometry can complicate the learning process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of a solid foundation in algebra and trigonometry for success in calculus, but there is no consensus on whether the original poster should drop the course or attempt to catch up. Multiple competing views on study strategies and timelines are present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the original poster's capabilities and the adequacy of their proposed study schedule. There are also varying opinions on the necessity of a precalculus course, with some suggesting it may not be needed while others imply it could be beneficial.

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Hi
I signed up for an online introductory university calculus course and I think it is too advanced for me. I just started the introduction chapter and am having trouble with the algebra, trig review.
Do you think I should drop the course? And if so, should I take the prerequisite course? I haven't worked with math in over 5 years. I wanted to start another undergrad degree...
 
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If you are having trouble with algebra and trig, then you will have much more trouble with intro. calculus.
IMO, it would be better to understand the fundamentals of algebra and trig before jumping into calculus.
 
SteamKing said:
If you are having trouble with algebra and trig, then you will have much more trouble with intro. calculus.
IMO, it would be better to understand the fundamentals of algebra and trig before jumping into calculus.

I second this. Calculus will use a lot of algebra and a fair amount of trig. So if you are struggling with algebra then you need to review it. So I recommend dropping the course and taking a less advanced course.

Of course you can continue with calculus and self-study the needed algebra and trig. But this is quite difficult. I wouldn't recommend it.
 
Really all calculus is is the advanced form of algebra, geometry, and a lot of other mathematical subjects. You should learn these basics which will make life way easier in calculus when you get there. I appreciate that you took a hard class that many people have trouble in.
 
would you drop calculus?
I have about 3 hrs every night to study and 4-5 hours on weekends.
Do you think I can cram algebra and trig for a month and be ok? I am willing to drop the course take pre calculus etc
I just want to understand calculus and move forward
 
What you need to do is learn everything in the review chapters as soon as possible, from other sources if possible because a review will be too thrifty. See what you haven't learned yet and learn it ASAP. Each day a new topic, be it logarithms or whatever, you'll need everything that's there.

I would aim to have that done in 3 weeks time at the most, with each day a new topic and a few review days, that should be doable. But this assumes that there isn't too much you don't know.

Without algebra, you'll be dead in the water pretty soon. Try to sort that in 1 week, with 2 for trig. Or adjust this depending on your circumstances.

I don't think you'll need a precalc book, they are very broad in scope and those review chapters will show you what you need to know. Focus on that and hopefully it'll work out fine.

Best of luck.
 
verty said:
What you need to do is learn everything in the review chapters as soon as possible, from other sources if possible because a review will be too thrifty. See what you haven't learned yet and learn it ASAP. Each day a new topic, be it logarithms or whatever, you'll need everything that's there.

I would aim to have that done in 3 weeks time at the most, with each day a new topic and a few review days, that should be doable. But this assumes that there isn't too much you don't know.

Without algebra, you'll be dead in the water pretty soon. Try to sort that in 1 week, with 2 for trig. Or adjust this depending on your circumstances.
I don't know the OP's capabilities, but that schedule might be way too ambitious, with one week for algebra and two weeks for trig.
verty said:
I don't think you'll need a precalc book, they are very broad in scope and those review chapters will show you what you need to know. Focus on that and hopefully it'll work out fine.

Best of luck.
 
Mark44 said:
I don't know the OP's capabilities, but that schedule might be way too ambitious, with one week for algebra and two weeks for trig.

True, I was hoping it was all seen before but not retained. But I think logarithms for example are more or less an extension of exponents which almost anyone surely knows who enrolls for calculus, so they should, via the correct learning materials, not take long to learn. But surely other topics like inequalities would be much more difficult to learn quickly, many pitfalls there surely are. Oh well.
 
Here are two useful looking problem-oriented review books, too concise to gain much insight from but they look very complete, containing a wealth of material at the right level, and problems have answers provided. And it gets you to the meat of what you need to know, you can find the type of problem and read how to solve it.

Probably a good way to use them would be to read the topic introduction, study the examples, do a few problems, then read more about that topic elsewhere, then return to hone your technique.

Let's Review Integrated Algebra
Let's Review Algebra 2/Trigonometry
 
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If you think calculus is hard, try taking abstract algebra :smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:
 
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The basic concepts introduced in calculus are the derivative, and the integral. These concepts aren't too difficult to learn, but in a calculus class, much of the homework and tests involves a lot of algebra and trig. It's possible that you may get up to speed during this class. It might help to get ahead on homework assignments or doing problems from your textbook to give yourself somewhat of a cushion.
 

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