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The discussion revolves around proving that if matrix A is idempotent and matrix B is similar to A, then B must also be idempotent. The subject area includes linear algebra and matrix theory, particularly focusing on properties of idempotent matrices and similarity transformations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the implications of matrix similarity and idempotency, questioning the validity of certain manipulations involving matrix multiplication. There are attempts to derive properties of B based on the properties of A, with some participants suggesting starting from B squared to show it equals B.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the proof. There is a recognition of the need to handle matrix multiplication carefully, particularly regarding the non-commutative nature of matrices. Some participants are clarifying the implications of similarity between matrices.

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There are mentions of confusion regarding the order of matrices and the assumption of similarity in both directions. Participants note the importance of correctly applying matrix operations without assuming commutativity.

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Homework Statement


Prove that if A is idempotent matrix of order n and B is similar to A, then B is idempotent






The Attempt at a Solution



I was just wondering if my attempt at the solution right here is correct.

Given: A2=A and B=Q-1AQ

Attempt: B=Q-1QA B=IA B=A

Therefore, B=A^2 B=A(A) B=B(B) B=B2
 
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jawhnay said:

Homework Statement


Prove that if A is idempotent matrix of order n and B is similar to A, then B is idempotent






The Attempt at a Solution



I was just wondering if my attempt at the solution right here is correct.

Given: A2=A and B=Q-1AQ

Attempt: B=Q-1QA B=IA B=A

Therefore, B=A^2 B=A(A) B=B(B) B=B2

No, not right. Matrices don't necessarily commute. You can't just change AQ into QA. Just work out (Q^(-1)AQ)^2.
 
jawhnay said:

Homework Statement


Prove that if A is idempotent matrix of order n and B is similar to A, then B is idempotent






The Attempt at a Solution



I was just wondering if my attempt at the solution right here is correct.

Given: A2=A and B=Q-1AQ
The problem says that A is idempotent of order n, not 2.
jawhnay said:
Attempt: B=Q-1QA B=IA B=A
You can't do this (switch the order of A and Q). Matrix multiplication is generally not commutative.

Start with B2 and show that it equals B.

For the real problem, you'll probably need to use induction.
jawhnay said:
Therefore, B=A^2 B=A(A) B=B(B) B=B2
 
If it says that B is similar to A, then am I allowed to assume A is similar to B a well?
 
It's easy to show, but you don't need to do that. Dick and I have both suggested the same thing. Why don't you start with that?
 
I know how to do it, but I'm just wondering if I can assume that if I'm only given that B is similar to A.
 
jawhnay said:
I know how to do it, but I'm just wondering if I can assume that if I'm only given that B is similar to A.

Well, can you show that if B is similar to A then A is similar to B?
 
B=q-1aq
qb=q-1qaq
q-1bq=q-1qaq-1q
q-1bq=iia
q-1bq=a

the letters are not showing up in caps for some reason.
 
jawhnay said:
B=q-1aq
qb=q-1qaq
q-1bq=q-1qaq-1q
q-1bq=iia
q-1bq=a

the letters are not showing up in caps for some reason.

I wouldn't worry about the caps. But you are juggling the order of the matrices around again to force things to work the way you want them to. They don't commute. Try that again without assuming the matrices commute.
 
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jawhnay said:
B=q-1aq
qb=q-1qaq
You can't do this (above). On the left side of the equation, you multiplied on the left by Q, but on the right side of the equation, you multiplied on the right. When you multiply both sides of an equation by a matrix, you have to multiply both sides in the same way - either both sides on the left or both sides on the right.
jawhnay said:
q-1bq=q-1qaq-1q
q-1bq=iia
q-1bq=a

the letters are not showing up in caps for some reason.
You probably hit your CAPS LOCK key.
 

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