Simple Harmonic Motion: 5kg Particle Suspended by 500 N/m String

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a particle of mass 5 kg suspended by a light elastic string with an elastic constant of 500 N/m. Participants explore whether the particle exhibits simple harmonic motion after being pulled down 20 cm from its equilibrium position and released. The focus includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning related to the forces acting on the particle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the elastic string provides a force that is linear with displacement, suggesting that this leads to simple harmonic motion.
  • One participant attempts to find the resultant force by considering the forces acting on the particle, but expresses uncertainty due to the lack of information about the natural length of the string.
  • Another participant argues that the natural length is not necessary for the analysis, explaining that the elastic force is zero when the string is at its natural length and is proportional to the change in length from that point.
  • A mathematical expression is presented to illustrate that the net force acting on the particle is proportional to the distance from the equilibrium position, which is a characteristic of simple harmonic motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of the natural length of the string for the analysis. There are differing views on how to approach the problem, with some focusing on the forces involved and others on the mathematical formulation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of the elastic string and the forces acting on the particle, which may depend on the definitions of terms like "natural length." The mathematical steps presented are not fully resolved, and the implications of the equilibrium position are explored but not conclusively established.

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A particle of mass 5 kg is suspended from a fixed point by a light elastic string
which hangs vertically. The elastic constant of the string is 500 N/m.
The mass is pulled down a vertical distance of 20 cm from the equilibrium
position and is then released from rest.
(i) Show that the particle moves with simple harmonic motion.
 
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markosheehan said:
A particle of mass 5 kg is suspended from a fixed point by a light elastic string
which hangs vertically. The elastic constant of the string is 500 N/m.
The mass is pulled down a vertical distance of 20 cm from the equilibrium
position and is then released from rest.
(i) Show that the particle moves with simple harmonic motion.

Hi markosheehan! ;)

An elastic string provides a force that is linear with the displacement from the rest position.
As a consequence we have simple harmonic motion.
If we want to prove it, we have to set up the equation of motion and solve it.
Care to give it a try?

For the record, we expect some kind of attempt or explanation where you're stuck, if only to figure out how to help you best.
 
what i tryed to do was find the force down and the force up find the resultant force and let it equal to F=5a and then that would prove it but to do this when i am finding the force in the string i need the natural length of the string but it is not given in the question. to find the force up i use F=k(length-natural length)
 
markosheehan said:
what i tryed to do was find the force down and the force up find the resultant force and let it equal to F=5a and then that would prove it but to do this when i am finding the force in the string i need the natural length of the string but it is not given in the question. to find the force up i use F=k(length-natural length)

We don't need the natural length.
When the string has its natural length, the elastic force is zero.
The elastic force is proportional with the change in its natural length.

So let's start with the position in equilibrium.
Then the force of gravity is equal and opposite the elastic force.
That is:
$$F_g = F_e \quad\Rightarrow\quad mg = k\Delta y \quad\Rightarrow\quad 50 = 500 \Delta y\quad\Rightarrow\quad \Delta y = 0.10 \text{ m}$$

Now initially we pull the mass $20 \text{ cm}$ down and we let go.
Then we have:
$$F_{net} = F_e - F_g = ky-mg = 500y-50 = 500(y-0.10)$$

In other words, the net force is proportional to the distance from the equilibrium position.
 

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