Simple Harmonic Motion - Acceleration

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The discussion revolves around estimating the maximum acceleration of a hydrogen atom in simple harmonic motion, with a focus on the relationship between force, mass, and displacement. The context includes the use of formulas related to frequency and acceleration in harmonic motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using different formulas, such as F = ma and a = -ω²x, to estimate maximum acceleration. There is uncertainty about the application of the force constant k and how it relates to the maximum force and displacement.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, with some guidance provided on using Newton's second law and confirming the equivalence of different methods. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of previously provided values and are questioning the definitions and roles of variables in the formulas discussed.

Peter G.
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Hi, :smile:

Assuming that the motion of the hydrogen atom is simple harmonic, its frequency of oscillation, f, is given by the expression:

f = 1 / 2π * √(k/m)​

where k is the force per unit displacement between a hydrogen atom and the carbon atom and the m is the mass of a proton.

(i) Show that the value of k is approximately 560 N/m
(From previous parts of this question I knew: f = 9.1 x 1013 Hz and the mass was 1.7 x 10-27

I managed to do this question by rearranging and plugging the numbers in the formula

However, I am having problems with part (ii)

(ii) Estimate, using your answers to (c)(i), the maximum acceleration of the hydrogen atom.

I am thinking either F = ma, where F = kx. In this case, the k I got from the previous question would be the constant k, or the F itself?

Or use a = -ω2x, using the maximum displacement (I have it from previous part of the question)

How should I approach the second part with the F = ma format? Is it possible to tackle the problem in those two ways?

Thanks,
Peter G.
 
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Peter G. said:
I am thinking either F = ma, where F = kx. In this case, the k I got from the previous question would be the constant k, or the F itself?
That method would work, but I don't understand the question. (Of course the k will be the constant k.)

Or use a = -ω2x, using the maximum displacement (I have it from previous part of the question)
That works.

How should I approach the second part with the F = ma format? Is it possible to tackle the problem in those two ways?
What's the maximum force?
 
The maximum force would be the constant multiplied by the maximum displacement?
 
Peter G. said:
The maximum force would be the constant multiplied by the maximum displacement?
Exactly. Now you can use Newton's 2nd law to calculate the maximum acceleration.

(Be sure to solve it both ways--convince yourself that the methods are equivalent.)
 
Ok, will do!

Thanks!
 

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