Simple Harmonic Motion amplitude

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The problem involves an object undergoing simple harmonic motion (SHM) with a specified period and amplitude, and it seeks to determine the time taken for the object to move between two positions along its path.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between time and position in SHM, questioning how to visualize the motion and determine the correct time values for specific positions. There is a focus on the mathematical representation of the motion and the implications of different approaches to solving for time.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on isolating time in the equations for specific positions, while others are exploring the implications of their calculations and questioning unit conversions. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the motion and the mathematical setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the correct application of trigonometric functions and the implications of unit conversions in their calculations. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the setup and resolve discrepancies in expected outcomes.

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Homework Statement



An object in SHM oscillates with a period of 4.0 s and an amplitude of 10 cm. How long does the object take to move from x = 0.0 cm to x = 6.0 cm?

Homework Equations



T = 2*pi/w

x(t) = Acos(wt) or x(t) = Asin(wt)

The Attempt at a Solution



T = 4.0 s
A = 0.10 m

w = 2*pi/T
w = 2*pi/(4.0)
w = pi/2

What happens now?
 
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Good start!
Ask yourself at what time is it at x=0? What time at x = 6 cm?
The difference between the two times is your final answer.
 
I keep running into the issue of how to visualize the relative positions of these functions at different values. If I plug in 0.0 cm (or 0.0 m rather) into x(t) = Acos(wt), how do I know whether the function is moving positively ("up" a cosine crest) or negatively ("down" a cosine trough)? If it's positive, then the position difference will be the desired 6 cm. If it's negative, then the difference will be 10 + 10 + 6 = 26cm. How do I set this up appropriately in light of this?
 
Delphi51 said:
Good start!
Ask yourself at what time is it at x=0? What time at x = 6 cm?
The difference between the two times is your final answer.

I think what you're getting at is isolating t in each of x(t) = 0.00m and x(t) = 0.06m and finding the difference. However, this warrants a number (~23 seconds) that just doesn't make any sense given the period of 4 seconds.
 
I would use the x = 0.1*sin(πt/2).
Then at t = 0, x = 0.
At t = 1, x = 0.1 m or 10 cm.
So it will be at x = 6 cm sometime between 0 and 1 second. The motion is all in the same direction during this quarter of a period, so no up and down to worry about.

You could keep trying different times in that range until you get x = 0.06 or you could solve the equation for t and plug in x = .06.
 
Delphi51 said:
I would use the x = 0.1*sin(πt/2).
Then at t = 0, x = 0.
At t = 1, x = 0.1 m or 10 cm.
So it will be at x = 6 cm sometime between 0 and 1 second. The motion is all in the same direction during this quarter of a period, so no up and down to worry about.

You could keep trying different times in that range until you get x = 0.06 or you could solve the equation for t and plug in x = .06.

x = 0.1*sin(πt/2)
t = 2*asin(x/0.1)/π
t = 2*asin(0.06/0.1)/π
t = way too high.

Am I misinterpreting how to use this equation?
 
Ah, I see the problem. You were deceived by a little matter of units!
asin(x/0.1) = 36.9 degrees, which is 0.643 radians. t works out to about 0.4 seconds.
If you want to use degrees, then you must replace the π with 180 degrees in the formula.
 
Delphi51 said:
Ah, I see the problem. You were deceived by a little matter of units!
asin(x/0.1) = 36.9 degrees, which is 0.643 radians. t works out to about 0.4 seconds.
If you want to use degrees, then you must replace the π with 180 degrees in the formula.

UGH. Thank you. I'll try again.
 

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