Simple harmonic motion and diatomic molecules

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The discussion revolves around the force interactions in diatomic molecules, specifically focusing on a force model described by F = -C/r² + D/r³. Participants are tasked with demonstrating that small displacements from equilibrium lead to simple harmonic motion and determining the force constant and period of such motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the equilibrium position r0 and question how to relate small displacements (delta r) to the force equation. There are discussions about using Taylor series expansions and the implications of the restoring force being proportional to displacement.

Discussion Status

Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, attempting to clarify the use of Taylor series and its application to the force equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between force and displacement, but there remains uncertainty about specific calculations and the role of mass in the final expressions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of mass information, which is relevant for determining the period of motion. There is also a mention of neglecting gravitational interactions in the context of molecular forces.

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In some diatomic molecules, the force each atom exerts on the other can be approximated by F = -C/r2 + D/r3, where r is the atomic separation and C and D are positive constants. Let delta r = r - r0 be a small displacement from equilibrium, where delta r << r0. Show that for such small displacements, the motion is approximately simple harmonic, and determine the force constant. Thirdly, what is the period of such motion?

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I have no idea where to start...
 
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Start by finding r0.
 
r0 = D/C. Now what?
 
For simple harmonic motion, the restoring force is proportional to the displacement. Can you show that to be true in your system?
 
I'm not sure how to do that... How would I plug in delta r? Do I need to use the equation F = -GMm/r2?
 
endeavor said:
I'm not sure how to do that... How would I plug in delta r? Do I need to use the equation F = -GMm/r2?

Uh- you can neglect gravitational interaction for molecules!

You could try a Taylor series expansion in delta r

Edit:

For simple harmonic motion you need to show that F=-k (r-r0) for small values of (r-r0). The problem then is to find k at r-r0, which you can do pretty much by direct substitution into the force equation.
 
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What does a Taylor series expansion mean? Not too long ago, I learned about Taylor series, and they're still a little fuzzy in my memory. I feel pretty dumb, because everything you say I seem to have questions about how to do it :frown: ...

F = -C/r2 + D/r3 = -k * (r - r0)
solving for k,
k = 1/(r - r0) * (C/r2 - D/r3)
... I think I need to do the first part... k shouldn't depend on r...
 
F=-C/r^2+D/r^3

At r=r_0

F=F(r=r_0)+\frac{dF}{dr} (r-r0)+1/2 \frac{d^2F}{dr^2} (r-r_0)^2+...

where the derivatives are evaluated at r=r_0
The first term should be zero at r=r_0, because you're at a minimum.

F(r=r_0)=0

The largest term is then the second term, which is proportional to r-r_0
 
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use open bracket, then "tex", then close bracket
 
  • #10
OK, I just about got those eqns working.

You'll need to understand the Taylor series first.

This is the way I think about it.

imagine that a function f(x) can be written as a power series in x about x=0

f(x)=A_0 +A_1 x+A_2 x^2+A_3 x^3 +...

Then you can find the constants A_0,A_1,A_2... from repeated differentiation.

Finding A0 is the easiest

f(x=0)=A_0

because, when x=0 all the other terms are zero.

Next, find A1

df(x)/dx=A_1+2A_2x+3A_3x^2+...
So, at x=0
\frac{df(x)}{dx} (x=0)=A_1

Then find A2

\frac{d^2f(x)}{dx^2}=2A_2+6A_3x+24A_4x^2+...

When x=0
\frac{d^2f(x)}{dx^2}(x=0)=2A_2

And so on.

You now substitute in the values of A0,A1,A2 etc to get
f(x)=f(0)+\frac{df}{dx} x +1/2 \frac{d^2f}{dx^2} x^2+1/6 \frac{d^2 f}{dx^3} x^3+...

where the derivatives are evaluated at (x=0)
 
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  • #11
OK, let me know if you understand the above Taylor series expansion.
 
  • #12
Yeah, I think so.

So do I just say that for small displacements, F is approximately equal to that first term, which is proportional to r - r0?
 
  • #13
endeavor said:
Yeah, I think so.

So do I just say that for small displacements, F is approximately equal to that first term, which is proportional to r - r0?

yes, that's the way I would do it.
 
  • #14
Then F = - C4/D3 * (r - r0).
k = C4/D3
T = 2 pi * square root of (m/k), but what's m?
 
  • #15
endeavor said:
Then F = - C4/D3 * (r - r0).
k = C4/D3
T = 2 pi * square root of (m/k), but what's m?

You don't seem to have been provided with the mass, so just give the general expression you derived. That should be fine.
 

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