Simple Harmonic Motion problem with spring mass system

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The discussion revolves around a simple harmonic motion problem involving a 50g mass attached to a spring. Participants are tasked with determining the angular frequency, spring constant, and amplitude based on given maximum acceleration and speed values.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss differentiating the displacement function to derive expressions for velocity and acceleration. There are attempts to relate maximum values of these quantities to angular frequency and amplitude, with some participants expressing confusion about missing variables.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and seeking clarification. Some have provided expressions for velocity and acceleration, while others are exploring how to connect these to the maximum values given. There is a sense of progress as one participant mentions a moment of realization regarding the problem.

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There is an emphasis on showing work and deriving relationships between variables, with some participants noting the need for additional information to fully resolve the problem. The original poster expresses frustration with their progress, indicating a common challenge in understanding the relationships in simple harmonic motion.

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Homework Statement


A 50g mass is attached to a spring and undergoes simple harmonic motion. It's maximum acceleration is 15m/s and maximum speed is 3.5m/s. Determine a)angular frequency, b) spring constant, c) amplitude.

Homework Equations


ω = √k/m
X(t) = A*cos(ωt + ∅)

The Attempt at a Solution


Tried but I seem to be getting nowhere. Would really appreciate if someone pointed me in the right direction.
 
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physicsuwa said:

Homework Statement


A 50g mass is attached to a spring and undergoes simple harmonic motion. It's maximum acceleration is 15m/s and maximum speed is 3.5m/s. Determine a)angular frequency, b) spring constant, c) amplitude.

Homework Equations


ω = √k/m
X(t) = A*cos(ωt + ∅)

The Attempt at a Solution


Tried but I seem to be getting nowhere. Would really appreciate if someone pointed me in the right direction.

You need to show what you tried. Try taking derivatives of X(t) to find expressions for the velocity and acceleration.
 
Dick said:
You need to show what you tried. Try taking derivatives of X(t) to find expressions for the velocity and acceleration.
I did that actually. I got expressions for both but I am missing amplitude so can't gain much from that. I tried to used f=-kx and substitute that into the ω = √k/m but that didn't work out either as I am missing x. Anyway. I just need a direction or that clue that will just crack this open for me. I appreciate the help.
 
physicsuwa said:
I did that actually. I got expressions for both but I am missing amplitude so can't gain much from that. I tried to used f=-kx and substitute that into the ω = √k/m but that didn't work out either as I am missing x. Anyway. I just need a direction or that clue that will just crack this open for me. I appreciate the help.

Just show what you got. It will turn out that you can cancel the amplitude with the correct equations for the maximum velocity and acceleration and find ω. Divide the maximum acceleration by the maximum velocity.
 
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Ok. Well what i have done is in regards to the velocity and acceleration is differentiated the distance to get velocity and differentiated that to get acceleration.
v = ω*A*sin(ωt+∅) and for acceleration is a=-ω2*A*cos(ωt+∅). I am quite sure that's right but let me know if its not.

and for angular frequency which is ω=√k/m which i mentioned before and Period or T = 2π*√m/k
 
Differentiating the displacement x(t) is right. I would expect a minus sign for v too.

So now you have expressions and values for maximum v and maximum a. Two equations with two unknowns (A and omega). Bingo.

Oh, and: Welcome to PF, Uwa :smile: !
 
physicsuwa said:
Ok. Well what i have done is in regards to the velocity and acceleration is differentiated the distance to get velocity and differentiated that to get acceleration.
v = ω*A*sin(ωt+∅) and for acceleration is a=-ω2*A*cos(ωt+∅). I am quite sure that's right but let me know if its not.

and for angular frequency which is ω=√k/m which i mentioned before and Period or T = 2π*√m/k

What are the maximum values of v and a?
 
Dick said:
What are the maximum values of v and a?
I gave them in the original question. but perfectly happy to repeat. Max Speed = 3.5m/s and max acceleration is 15m/s^2
 
physicsuwa said:
I gave them in the original question. but perfectly happy to repeat. Max Speed = 3.5m/s and max acceleration is 15m/s^2

I meant what are they in terms of ##\omega## and ##A##!
 
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Sorry. I don't understand what you mean by "in terms" of ω and A
 
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Dick. I am sorry man. I just saw it and it was literally a Eureka moment on the train. I don't know how I could have been so stupid. Thanks for sticking with me. Appreciate all the help.
 
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physicsuwa said:
Dick. I am sorry man. I just saw it and it was literally a Eureka moment on the train. I don't know how I could have been so stupid. Thanks for sticking with me. Appreciate all the help.

You're welcome. Always worthwhile when somebody gets it.
 
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