Simple Harmonic Motion question.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of simple harmonic motion (SHM), specifically the equations that define it, such as a = ω²x and x = x₀sin(ωt). Participants explore the implications of these equations and the necessity of calculus for understanding the relationships between position, velocity, and acceleration in SHM.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • The original poster questions whether an understanding of the SHM equations is possible without calculus and seeks clarification on the significance of the statements made. Other participants discuss the role of calculus in deriving relationships in SHM and the implications of not having a math background.

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Some participants have provided insights into the necessity of calculus for a deeper understanding of SHM, while others have acknowledged the original poster's concerns about their math background. There is an indication that further exploration of differentiation may enhance understanding, but no consensus has been reached on the necessity of calculus for grasping the concepts presented.

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The original poster is studying A-Level physics, which includes some mathematical concepts, but has not pursued mathematics as a subject due to personal preferences and career goals. There is a mention of a potential typo regarding the equations, which has been acknowledged by participants.

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Homework Statement



We say that the equation a= ω2x defines simple harmonic motion - it tells us what is required if a body is to perform s.h.m. The equation x= xosinωt is then described as a solution to the equation, since it tells us how the displacement of the body varies with time. If you have studied calculus you may be able to differentiate the equation for x twice with respect to time to obtain an equation for acceleration and thereby show that the defining equation a = -ω2x is satisfied.




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I haven't done calculus as I haven't taken Math as a subject. I wanted to ask if it would be possible to understand that statement without taking calculus. Or if someone could explain to me what the whole point of the statement is. I really don't get it at all. Do tell me if I have to study a bit of calculus to understand this, because I will if I have to. Thanks :)
 
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Doing physics without taking calculus seems to be somewhat like welding without your hands (though this depends on what level of physics you're doing), if you plan on going very far calculus is a must though.
The paragraph is saying that an object going in simple harmonic motion has an acceleration given by [itex]a = \omega ^2 x[/itex] and that if you do some calculus you can see that the equation of the position of that object is given by [itex]x = x_0 \sin \omega t[/itex].
The actual calculus involved (differentiation) allows you to take the function of position and use that to find the velocity then use that to find the acceleration, and if you use the x function given to you then they're just telling you that it all works out nicely :)
The take home points are really just that objects in SHM move according to [itex]x = x_0 \sin \omega t[/itex] and have an acceleration at a position x given by [itex]a = \omega ^2 x[/itex].
 
Thanks a LOT for that! Seriously :)

I'm doing A-Level/12th Grade physics [which the syllabus says DOES require a little bit of math i.e. differentiation, integration and the know-how of logarithms] but I don't take mathematics as a subject because I'm aiming to get into med school, plus I absolutely hate math so I didn't pursue it further. But I understood what you said.

Just as a precautionary measure though, I'll learn differentiation and then come back to this statement again. Bet I'll understand it even better then. Thanks again!
 
gabloammar said:

Homework Statement



We say that the equation a= ω2x defines simple harmonic motion - it tells us what is required if a body is to perform s.h.m. The equation x= xosinωt is then described as a solution to the equation,

It is not true: a minus sign is missing.
a=-ω2x is valid for the simple harmonic motion.


ehild
 
ehild said:
It is not true: a minus sign is missing.
a=-ω2x is valid for the simple harmonic motion.


ehild


Yeah yeah sorry, typo. Thanks for correcting it.
 

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