Simple Harmonic Motion (will be the death of me)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves simple harmonic motion, specifically determining the time at which the displacement of an object reaches its first maximum based on the given equation of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the first maximum using a calculator but questions their result. Other participants suggest finding the derivative of the displacement equation and setting it to zero to locate the maximum. There is discussion about the use of degrees versus radians in calculations, with some participants questioning the correctness of the initial time value obtained.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different methods to find the time of the first maximum. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or answer, but several lines of reasoning are being examined, including the derivative method and the implications of angle measures.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential issues with calculator settings (degrees vs. radians) and express uncertainty about the steps taken to derive the time value. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the mathematical approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement


The motion of an object is simple harmonic with equation of motion x = (27.1 m) sin(16.0 t /s + 0.7). At what time after t = 0 will the displacement reach its first maximum (where velocity equals zero)?

Homework Equations



(displacement)=Asin(freq.*t+phase)

The Attempt at a Solution


"(27.1)(sin((16x)+.7))" into calculator. Where y=displacement and x=time.
I calculate the first maximum to be at (5.58,27.1). Since the question asks for the time my answer would be 5.58 seconds. But this is wrong, and I'm not sure where I went wrong..

Any help greatly appreciated, Thanks!
 
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Hi -Chad-, welcome to PF.
At the maximum the velocity is zero. So find dx/dt and equate it to zero. From that find arc cos to find t.
 
How did you get t=5.58s ? If I put that value into the equation for x, I don't get 27.1. (Unless my calculator is messing up)
 
Does 3.196 s sound like a better answer?
I changed my calculator from degrees to radians. (if this fixes my problem, sorry for the stupid mistake)

If not, rl.bhat, I do not understand what you want me to do. If I take the derivative at the maximum, where velocity is zero, it will also be zero.
 
In the problem dx/dt = (27.1m)(16.0)cos(16*t + 0.7) = 0.
Now at what angle cosθ = 0?
Equate that angle to 16*t + 0.7 to find t.
 
How did you get 3.196 s? Derive x = (27.1 m) sin(16.0 t /s + 0.7) and you'll get the equation for velocity. Set the velocity to 0 and you'll be able to solve for t.
 
?? ok, first rl.bhat, cos90=0 90=16t+.7 89.3=16t 5.58=t (same answer i already got)

ideasrule, i get the same answer when doing what you want me to do. I'll write out my derivation just for thoroughness.

________________d/dt[(27.1)(sin(16t+.7))]
product rule______(27.1)(d/dt[sin(16t+.7)])+(d/dt(27.1))(sin(16t+.7))
d/dt(sinx)=cosx___(27.1)(cos(16t+.7))+(0)(sin(16t+.7))
________________27.1cos(16t+.7)

27.1cos(16t+.7)=0
cos(16t+.7)=0
cos^-1(cos(16t+.7))=cos^-1(0)
16t+.7=90
16t=89.3
t=5.58
 
Try using radians, 16t+0.7 = Pi/2
 

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