Simple harmonic oscillator - scaled variables

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The discussion revolves around the use of scaled variables in the time-independent Schrödinger equation (TISE) for a simple harmonic oscillator. Participants explore the rationale behind defining these scaled variables and their implications for solving the equation, particularly in relation to deriving Hermite polynomials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the TISE and introduces scaled variables, questioning the origin and convenience of these definitions.
  • Another participant notes that the scaled variables are dimensionless, implying a potential benefit in simplifying the equation.
  • A different participant explains that the scaling involves substituting \( x = \beta y \) to make coefficients equal to 1, suggesting a systematic approach to variable scaling.
  • Some participants express confusion about the significance of dimensionless variables and the process of choosing \( \beta \) for simplification.
  • One participant emphasizes that while quantum mechanics provides the equation, it does not dictate the method for solving it, indicating a distinction between the theory and its application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the utility of scaled variables but express differing levels of understanding regarding their significance and the process of choosing scaling factors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity on the implications of using dimensionless variables and the mathematical steps involved in the scaling process. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in applying quantum mechanics concepts.

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The TISE can be written as

-[tex]\frac{\hbar^{2}}{2m}[/tex][tex]\frac{d^{2}u}{dx^{2}}[/tex] + [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex]m[tex]\omega_{0}^{2}[/tex]x^{2}u = Eu

Now my lecture notes say that it is convenient to define scaled variables

y = [tex]\sqrt{\frac{m\omega_{0}}{\hbar} x}[/tex]

and [tex]\alpha[/tex] = [tex]\frac{2E}{\hbar\omega_{0}}[/tex]

Hence

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\sqrt{\frac{\hbar}{m\omega_{0}} x}[/tex] [tex]\frac{d}{dy}[/tex]

so [tex]\frac{2}{\hbar\omega_{0}}[/tex] times the TISE can be written as

[tex]\frac{d^{2}u}{dy^{2}}[/tex] + ([tex]\alpha[/tex] - y[tex]^{2}[/tex])u= 0

now, it is not at all obvious to me where these scaled variables came from? I know this leads on to deriving hermite polynomials, but I'm just wondering if there is some triviality behind the scaled variables. It really helps me to know the order in which things were derived/formulated. It might have been the case that these scaled variables were used after much painstaking trial and error, or some mathematician just noticed that it would be easier to write the equation this way.

Does anyone have any background information on this? Is it usual to scale the variables in this way?

Thanks
 
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The scaled variables are dimensionless.
 
randybryan said:
The TISE can be written as

-[tex]\frac{\hbar^{2}}{2m}[/tex][tex]\frac{d^{2}u}{dx^{2}}[/tex] + [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex]m[tex]\omega_{0}^{2}[/tex]x^{2}u = Eu

Now my lecture notes say that it is convenient to define scaled variables

y = [tex]\sqrt{\frac{m\omega_{0}}{\hbar} x}[/tex]

and [tex]\alpha[/tex] = [tex]\frac{2E}{\hbar\omega_{0}}[/tex]

Well the way it works is that you substitute [tex]x=\beta y[/tex], where y is dimensionless, and then choose [tex]\beta[/tex] to make as many coefficients equal to 1.

Maybe it's possible to see

y = [tex]\sqrt{\frac{m\omega_{0}}{\hbar} x}[/tex]

directly, but you usually you set [tex]x=\beta y[/tex] and then do the math (determine beta).
 
Thanks very much guys, but I'm still slightly confused.

what difference does it make if the variables are dimensionless?

and what do you mean by choosing beta to make as many coefficients equal to 1?

I apologise if I appear stupid, I'm just getting so confused by quantum mechanics in general.
 
randybryan said:
and what do you mean by choosing beta to make as many coefficients equal to 1?

I apologise if I appear stupid, I'm just getting so confused by quantum mechanics in general.

This is not really quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics tells you what the equation is, but not what to do after that.

[tex]\begin{equation*}\begin{split}<br /> <br /> a\frac{d^{2}u}{dx^{2}}+bx^2u=Eu \\<br /> \frac{a}{\beta^2}\frac{d^{2}u}{dy^{2}}+b(\beta y)^2u=Eu \\<br /> <br /> \frac{d^{2}u}{dy^{2}}+\frac{b}{a}\beta^4 y^2u=\frac{\beta^2}{a}Eu <br /> <br /> \end{split}\end{equation*}[/tex]

so you set beta such that [tex]\frac{b}{a}\beta^4=1[/tex]

Then you combine everything on the RHS into one dimensionless constant alpha.
 

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