Simple integral, that I don't understand

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The discussion revolves around understanding how to derive a particular solution from a general solution of a differential equation, specifically \(\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{x^2}{y}\), using a boundary condition. The boundary condition is stated as \(y = 2\) when \(x = 3\), although there is some confusion regarding the wording of the condition.

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  • Participants discuss the process of finding the constant of integration \(C\) and the implications of the boundary condition. There are questions about the correct interpretation of the boundary condition and whether the original poster's understanding of the problem is accurate.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the interpretation of the boundary condition and confirmed that the original poster's approach to finding \(C\) is correct. However, there remains some confusion regarding the necessity of setting \(x = 3\) in the context of the boundary condition.

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There are noted typographical errors in the original post that have contributed to the confusion, particularly regarding the boundary condition. Participants are clarifying these points to ensure a mutual understanding of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



I know how to integrate, but I don't understand the wording of the question and what it all means...

Question: How to get a particular solution from the general solution using a BOUNDARY CONIDTION.

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{x^2}{y}[/tex]

subject to the condition that [tex]y = 2[/tex] when [tex]y = 3[/tex]

2. The attempt at a solution

[tex]\frac{y^2}{2} = \frac{x^3}{3} + C[/tex]

[tex]y = 2[/tex] and [tex]y = 3[/tex]

replace into equation...

[tex]2 = 9+ C[/tex]
[tex]C = -7[/tex]

then I guess I replace it into the general solution to verify??

[tex]\frac{y^2}{2} = \frac{x^3}{3} + C[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2x^3}{3} - (2)7[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2(3)^3}{3} - (2)7[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2(3)^3}{3} - 14[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = 18 - 14[/tex]

[tex]y = \sqrt{4}[/tex]

[tex]y = 2[/tex]

I know how to integrate ect.. It's just I don't understand what the question wants? Maybe I solved it?
 
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The form with the C in it is the general form. You found the particular form when you determined C=-7. You are done.
 
snowJT said:

Homework Statement



I know how to integrate, but I don't understand the wording of the question and what it all means...

Question: How to get a particular solution from the general solution using a BOUNDARY CONIDTION.

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{x^2}{y}[/tex]

subject to the condition that [tex]y = 2[/tex] when [tex]y = 3[/tex]
Surely you mean "y= 2 when x= 3".

2. The attempt at a solution

[tex]\frac{y^2}{2} = \frac{x^3}{3} + C[/tex]

[tex]y = 2[/tex] and [tex]y = 3[/tex]
Again, the second equation is x= 3

replace into equation...

[tex]2 = 9+ C[/tex]
[tex]C = -7[/tex]

then I guess I replace it into the general solution to verify??
Yes, that's exactly right.

[tex]\frac{y^2}{2} = \frac{x^3}{3} + C[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2x^3}{3} - (2)7[/tex]
This is correct.

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2(3)^3}{3} - (2)7[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2(3)^3}{3} - 14[/tex]
Now I am confused. Why are you setting x equal to 3?

[tex]y^2 = 18 - 14[/tex]

[tex]y = \sqrt{4}[/tex]

[tex]y = 2[/tex]

I know how to integrate ect.. It's just I don't understand what the question wants? Maybe I solved it?
Yes, just like you were told, "when x= 3, y= 2"! Were you checking? The solution to the problem is [tex]y^2= \frac{2x^3}{3}- 14[/tex]
 
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I assumed y=3 was a typo. If the phrase "BOUNDARY CONIDTION" is the source of your confusion, then "x=3, y=2" IS a boundary condition. And you are done.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Now I am confused. Why are you setting x equal to 3?

what else should I do with it?

ya sorry its suppose to read x = 3 then i copy pasted my mistake
 
you don't need to set x=3. This is a boundary condition, which you used to obtain the value of the constant of integration. You have done this, so have the solution [tex]y^2= \frac{2x^3}{3}- 14[/tex]
 
you mean [tex]y^2= \frac{2x^3}{3}- 7[/tex] right? because it would be 14 if I made y = 2
 
No, i mean [tex]y^2= \frac{2x^3}{3}- 14[/tex](*). You had the equation [tex]\frac{y^2}{2} = \frac{x^3}{3} + C[/tex], which you solved for C to get C=-7. But now multiplying through by 2, we obtain (*)
 
oh... I missed that, I'm sorry

I don't think I'll ever bebale to catch you on anything, you're eye is too good
 
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Let's face it. His first post was correct except for typos in the posting. He just thought he might be supposed to do something else. Now he's confused. The phrase "Maybe I solved it?" should have simply been answered "yes".
 

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