Simple rotational period problem

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The discussion revolves around determining the length of a day on a hypothetical planet, focusing on the relationship between gravitational acceleration and centripetal acceleration at the equator. Participants explore the implications of these accelerations on the motion of an object dropped from the surface.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the treatment of gravitational and centripetal accelerations, questioning the assumptions made in the original poster's calculations. There is an exploration of what acceleration would be necessary for circular motion in the absence of gravity.

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The conversation has led to some productive questioning and clarification regarding the nature of centripetal acceleration and its relationship to gravitational forces. Participants have provided insights that challenge the original poster's reasoning and have prompted further reflection on the problem.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the calculations and the definitions of acceleration components, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the appropriateness of certain mathematical approaches.

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Homework Statement



Determine the length of day on a planet.

Imagine a planet with an acceleration at the equator of [itex]a_{equator} = 10 \,\, m/s^2[/itex] (ignoring rotation).

Object dropped at equator falls with an acceleration of:

[itex]a_{obj} = 9.7 \,\, m/s^2[/itex],

r = [itex]6.2 \times 10^6 \,\, m[/itex].

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I treated [itex]a_{obj}[/itex] as the centripetal acceleration, and [itex]a_{equator}[/itex] as the total acceleration. I then solved for the tangential component [itex]a_T[/itex] using Pythagorean Theorem.

I then used the following formula,

[itex]T = \sqrt{\frac{4 \pi^2 r}{a_T}}[/itex].

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I am not getting the same result as the text, and am unsure as to where my thought process is going awry.

I get a value of 2.8 hr, whereas the value in the book is 7.9 hr.
 
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Can you post the full text of the question? Seems like you gave us an abbreviated version.
 
Hi Bob, welcome to PF!

Consider, if there were no gravity at all, what acceleration would the object need to have in order to move in circles?
 
Bandersnatch said:
Consider, if there were no gravity at all, what acceleration would the object need to have in order to move in circles?

Centripetal acceleration of course, which would have some velocity perpendicular to this acceleration.
 
Right, so, if the object, as seen from the surface, falls under the influence of gravity, does it mean the gravity supplies more, less or exactly the required amount of acceleration?
 
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The fact that the object "falls" toward the surface, would indicate that gravity is supplying more acceleration (greater than the fictitious centrifugal force).

Thus, I need to find out by how much. This would be [itex]10 \,\, m/s^2 - 9.3 \,\, m/s^2 = 0.3 \,\, m/s^2[/itex].

I am now embarrassed. Thanks for your help, and thank you for getting me to think!
 
Glad I could help!

Just one more bit to iron out:
Bob_Dole said:
I then solved for the tangential component [itex]a_T[/itex] using Pythagorean Theorem.
This is completely unnecessary, and indeed, meaningless. There is no tangential component to centripetal acceleration! It's always radial. It is velocity that is tangential.

So, just plug the centripetal acceleration you've found into the period equation you provided earlier, and you should be done.
 
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Yep, surely I was not using my noggin! Thanks again for your help. I got the correct answer just by subtracting the two.
 

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