Simple transformer circuit with 3 resistors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a simple transformer circuit with three resistors. Participants are attempting to derive equations related to the circuit, specifically focusing on the open circuit voltage (Voc) and short circuit current (Isc). The conversation includes attempts to analyze the circuit using mesh analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in writing down equations after attempting to draw three mesh circuits.
  • Another participant requests more details about the specific problem Clyde Wong is trying to solve, asking whether he is focusing on Voc or Isc.
  • A clarification is made regarding the original schematic, noting that Voc is not solely across R3 but also includes the output winding of the transformer.
  • There is a suggestion to solve for Isc using the identified meshes, with a prompt to write the equation for I1.
  • One participant reflects on the similarity of this problem to a previous discussion from four years ago, questioning how many ways it can be solved.
  • Another participant notes that while it could be valuable to see a solution, it would violate forum policy to directly provide answers to homework questions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, and there are multiple viewpoints regarding the focus on Voc or Isc. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to seek clarification and assistance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for more information on the meshes identified and the specific equations being attempted. There is also a mention of the timeline since the original post, indicating that it may be premature to conclude the discussion.

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Homework Statement

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2. Homework Equations [/B]
V1N2=V2N1
I1N1=I2N2

The Attempt at a Solution


For a part[/B]
I try to draw 3 mesh but I cannot write down the equation.
Can someone help me out?
 

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Hello Clyde Wong,

Welcome to Physics Forums!

Clyde Wong said:
I try to draw 3 mesh but I cannot write down the equation.
Can someone help me out?

You'll have to show us more detail of what you've actually attempted (check the Forum Rules or have a look at the pinned thread: Guidelines for Students and Helpers ). What are you trying to solve for first, the open circuit voltage or short circuit current? Can you show us which three meshes you've identified?
 
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Look back at the original schematic. Voc is not taken across R3 alone; it's across R3 and the output (so to speak) winding of the transformer.
 
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Thank you The Electrician, my mistake.
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So are you going to solve for Voc or Isc or both? I have answers & could let you know if our results agreed or not.
 
Clyde Wong, you said you tried to draw 3 meshes. There are 3 obvious meshes which I've shown here. Try to solve for Isc using these meshes. Can you try to write the equation for I1?

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The Electrician said:
Methinks Clyde Wong is not coming back. This problem is a slight rehash of a problem dealt with 4 years ago: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/transformer-mesh-current-problem.753480/

Perhaps there would be value to people who may find this problem in the future to see a solution. How many ways can it be solved?
Likely it could be valuable, but it would go against PF policy to directly offer up solutions to any homework. Also, so far it's only been 9 days since the Original Post was made, hence much too soon to call this a moribund thread; Some homework assignments can have several week deadlines and it's possible that other members or guests have the same homework problem.
 

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