Simple way to get a complex Limit?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit \(\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(\frac{n}{n+1}\right)^n\). Participants explore various methods to approach this limit, considering the context of teaching and the mathematical background of students.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions using l'Hôpital's Rule to find the limit but seeks a simpler method suitable for students who may not have encountered it yet.
  • Another participant suggests examining the limit of the difference between two consecutive terms, questioning if this could provide insights into the limit's behavior.
  • A participant later confirms that the limit equals \(e^{-1}\) using the natural logarithm and l'Hôpital's Rule, indicating familiarity with the concept of \(e\).
  • Another participant proposes using the squeeze theorem but does not specify the functions to use.
  • A participant asserts that the definition of \(e\) can simplify the limit evaluation, transforming the expression into a form that directly relates to \(e^{-1}\).
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the insights shared by others, acknowledging their own lapse in recent mathematical practice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the limit's value being \(e^{-1}\) and discuss various methods to arrive at this conclusion. However, there is no consensus on the most appropriate approach for students unfamiliar with certain techniques.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the students' prior knowledge, particularly regarding the definition of \(e\) and the applicability of l'Hôpital's Rule. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with mathematical concepts among participants.

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I'm helping a few people out with school maths and I came across this limit (in connection with the Ratio Test):

[tex]\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(\frac{n}{n+1}\right)^n[/tex]

now I can figure out the answer to this myself using l'Hôpital's Rule but the student's I'm teaching wouldn't have come across it yet, so it's either a misprint in their book - or there's a simple way of figuring it out which I can't see. Anyone have any ideas?
 
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could we look at the limit of [tex](\left(\frac{n}{n+1}\right)^n - \left(\frac{(n-1)}{(n-1)+1}\right)^{n-1} )[/tex] ?

I mean if [tex]\lim_{n \to \infty} (a_{n} - a_{n-1}) \to \infty[/tex] then doesn't that tell us something?
 
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Sorry, I probably shouldn't have mentioned the ratio test at all, I'm just looking to find the limit, which equals [tex]e^{-1}[/tex] which I got by taking the natural log of the term above and applying l'Hôpital's Rule.
 
you want to use the squeeze theorem
 
OK, any ideas of what two functions to pick?
 
Surely they have come across the definition of [itex]e[/itex]? If so, it's simple enough:

[tex]\left(\frac{n}{n+1}\right)^n = \left(\frac{n+1}{n}\right)^{-n} = \left[\left(1 + \frac{1}{n}\right)^n\right]^{-1}[/tex]

Taking the limit of the last expression and using the definition of [itex]e[/itex] gives [itex]e^{-1}[/itex].

Is there a reason why they wouldn't be allowed to do it this way?
 
mute is correct
 
Excellent, yes they would have come across that definition of [itex]e[/itex]. But as for myself on the other hand...let's just say it's been a while.

Thanks Mute and grmnsplx.
 

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