Simplify the logarithim expression

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The discussion revolves around simplifying logarithmic expressions and proving various logarithmic identities, including properties of logarithms and their derivatives. The subject area primarily involves logarithmic functions and their relationships with exponential functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the simplification of the expression e^{a ln b} and question its correctness, with some suggesting it simplifies to b^a. Others express uncertainty about proving logarithmic identities and the use of Taylor series for derivatives.

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Some participants have offered insights into the simplification of expressions and the application of logarithmic rules. There is ongoing exploration of proofs for specific logarithmic identities, with multiple interpretations and approaches being discussed.

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Participants note that they have not been officially taught certain concepts, such as Taylor series, which may affect their understanding and approach to proving the identities discussed.

vorcil
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not actually homework, but things I need to know:

1: simplify the expression e^{a ln b} (write it in a way that doesn't involve logarithims)

i want to prove the identities:
lnab = lna + lnb
lna^b = blna
\frac{d}{dx}lnx = \frac{1}{x}

i also want to derive the useful assumption
ln(1+x) ~ aprrox = x

thank you in advance

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my working
1: e^{a ln b} = e^a * e^{ln b} = e^a * b
that's as far as i got, i think that's correct but I'm not sure, because i used a way that INVOLVES logarithims

2:proving lnab = lna + lnb
not quite sure how to prove this..

3:proving lna^b = blna
again not sure how to prove this, I've just remembered the rule and assumed it was right

4:proving d/dx lnx = 1/x
should i be using the taylor series to prove these?
i haven't officially been taught the taylor series yet, but i understand how it works
 
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vorcil said:
my working
1: e^{a ln b} = e^a * e^{ln b} = e^a * b
that's as far as i got, i think that's correct but I'm not sure, because i used a way that INVOLVES logarithims
That's not correct. You're thinking of the rule ea+b=eaeb, but you're not adding a and ln b.
 


is it not,

b^a then?

i know that is one of the rules, e^{a ln b} = b^a
i can't prove that it's correct but i remember that,
so the first one is just b^a?
 


vorcil said:
is it not,

b^a then?

i know that is one of the rules, e^{a ln b} = b^a
i can't prove that it's correct but i remember that,
so the first one is just b^a?

Yes, because you already know that x^{yz} can also be expressed as (x^y)^z so you simply apply that to your problem and simplify the logarithm. The solutions to problems 2 and 3 can also be derived from these laws of exponents.
 


ianprime0509 said:
Yes, because you already know that x^{yz} can also be expressed as (x^y)^z so you simply apply that to your problem and simplify the logarithm. The solutions to problems 2 and 3 can also be derived from these laws of exponents.


can someone show me the proof for 3 please?
only just managed to figure out a way for problem 2

x=ln(a)
y=ln(b)

a=e^x
b=e^y

a*b = e^x *e^y
a*b = e^(x+y)
ln(a*b) = ln(e^x + e^y)
ln(a*b) = x + y
ln(a*b) = ln(a) + ln(y)
 


For #3, let y = ln a.

y = ln a <==> a = ey
Then ab = (ey)b = eby

Now, rewrite this exponential equation as a log equation, and the result you're looking for will fall out.
 

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