Simplifying Fraction: (6x+12y)/(10a+5) * (100a^2-25)/(9x^2-81y^2)

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The discussion revolves around simplifying the expression (6x+12y)/(10a +5) times (100a^2-25)/(9x^2-81y^2), which involves algebraic fractions and factoring techniques. The subject area includes algebra and polynomial manipulation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to simplify the given expression by factoring both the numerators and denominators. Questions arise regarding the transformation of the expression (100a^2-25)/(9x^2-81y^2) into simpler forms, and there is discussion about the correctness of these transformations.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide insights on factoring techniques and suggest looking at individual factors for further simplification. There is acknowledgment of potential mistakes in previous attempts, and a focus on ensuring that all factors are accounted for correctly. Multiple interpretations of the factoring process are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of not dropping factors without justification and emphasize the need to apply the difference of squares correctly in their simplifications. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, which may require careful consideration of each step in the simplification process.

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Homework Statement


Simplify (6x+12y)/(10a +5) times (100a2 - 25)/(9x2 - 81y2)

Homework Equations


(6x+12y)/(10a +5) times (100a2 - 25)/(9x2 - 81y2)

The Attempt at a Solution


(6x+12y)/(10a +5) times (100a2 - 25)/(9x2 - 81y2) =
3(2x+4y)/(10a+5) times (4a - 1)/(3x-27y) = (3(2x+4y))(4a-1)/(5(2a+1))(3(x-9y))
I do not know how to simplify this any further.
 
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science_rules said:

Homework Statement


Simplify (6x+12y)/(10a +5) times (100a2 - 25)/(9x2 - 81y2)

Homework Equations


(6x+12y)/(10a +5) times (100a2 - 25)/(9x2 - 81y2)

The Attempt at a Solution


(6x+12y)/(10a +5) times (100a2 - 25)/(9x2 - 81y2) =
3(2x+4y)/(10a+5) times (10a - 5)/(3x-9y) = (3(2x+4y))(5(2a-1))/(5(2a-1))(3(x-3y))
I do not know how to simplify this any further.
If you learn a little bit of LaTeX, you can make this look nicer.

How did ##\displaystyle \ \frac{(100a^2-25)}{(9x^2-81y^2)} \ ## become ##\displaystyle \ \frac{(10a-5)}{(3x-9y)} \ ## ?
 
SammyS said:
If you learn a little bit of LaTeX, you can make this look nicer.

How did ##\displaystyle \ \frac{(100a^2-25)}{(9x^2-81y^2)} \ ## become ##\displaystyle \ \frac{(10a-5)}{(3x-9y)} \ ## ?
Let me try this again and see what I come up with
 
SammyS said:
If you learn a little bit of LaTeX, you can make this look nicer.

How did ##\displaystyle \ \frac{(100a^2-25)}{(9x^2-81y^2)} \ ## become ##\displaystyle \ \frac{(10a-5)}{(3x-9y)} \ ## ?
(6x+12y)/(10a+5) times (100a2 - 25)/(9x2 - 81y2) = (3(x+4y))/(5(2a+1)) times (5(20a2 - 5))/(3(3x2 - 27y2))
 
science_rules said:
(6x+12y)/(10a+5) times (100a2 - 25)/(9x2 - 81y2) = (3(x+4y))/(5(2a+1)) times (5(20a2 - 5))/(3(3x2 - 27y2))
Let's look at the individual factors, (individual numerators & denominators).

The first fraction is fine, both numerator & denominator are totally factored.

You can factor out an additional 5 from 100a2 - 25 = 5(20a2 - 5), which will get you back to a difference of squares for one of the factors, and thus can be factored even further.

Similarly, you can factor out an additional 3 from 9x2 - 81y2 = 3(3x2 - 27y2), which will get you back to a difference of squares for one of the factors, and thus can be factored even further.

Then put all into one grand rational expression ("fraction") & do some further cancelling.
 
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I think i made a mistake: (3(x+4y))/(5(2a+1)) times (5(20a2 - 5))/(3(3x2 - 27y2))
(3(x+4y)) should have been: (3(2x+4y))
 
science_rules said:
I think i made a mistake: (3(x+4y))/(5(2a+1)) times (5(20a2 - 5))/(3(3x2 - 27y2))
(3(x+4y)) should have been: (3(2x+4y))
Right.

You had that part correct previously.
 
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SammyS said:
Let's look at the individual factors, (individual numerators & denominators).

The first fraction is fine, both numerator & denominator are totally factored.

You can factor out an additional 5 from 100a2 - 25 = 5(20a2 - 5), which will get you back to a difference of squares for one of the factors, and thus can be factored even further.

Similarly, you can factor out an additional 3 from 9x2 - 81y2 = 3(3x2 - 27y2), which will get you back to a difference of squares for one of the factors, and thus can be factored even further.

Then put all into one grand rational expression ("fraction") & do some further cancelling.

The only factoring I can see to do is: (5(20a2 + 5))/(3(3x2 - 27y2)) = (4a2 +1)/(x2 - 9y2) and then put these together: (3(2x + 4y))(4a2 + 1)/(5(2a +1))(x2-9y2)
 
science_rules said:
The only factoring I can see to do is: (5(20a2 + 5))/(3(3x2 - 27y2)) = (4a2 +1)/(x2 - 9y2) and then put these together: (3(2x + 4y))(4a2 + 1)/(5(2a +1))(x2-9y2)
You can't just drop factors for no reason.

Start with 5(20a2 - 5) = 5⋅5(4a2 -1) . (Yes, that is subtraction.)

Do you know how to factor a difference of squares?

Similarly, 3(3x2 - 27y2) = 3⋅3(x2 - 9y2) . Also has a difference of squares.
 
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