Simplifying Integration by Parts: Solving ∫ln(x+x^2)dx Using the Hint x(1+x)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration of the function ∫ln(x+x^2)dx, with a specific hint provided by the professor involving the expression x(1+x). Participants explore different approaches to solving the integral, including the application of integration by parts and logarithmic properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using u=ln(x+x^2) and expresses uncertainty about the choice of dv.
  • Another participant proposes breaking down the logarithmic expression using properties of logarithms, specifically suggesting that ln(x+x^2) can be expressed as ln(x) + ln(1+x).
  • A different participant provides a detailed integration process leading to an expression involving ln(x^2 + 1), which is challenged by another participant.
  • One participant questions the introduction of ln(x^2 + 1), indicating it complicates the problem compared to the original ln(x+x^2).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the integral. There are competing views on how to manipulate the logarithmic expression and differing opinions on the complexity of the proposed solutions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' approaches depend on specific assumptions about logarithmic identities and integration techniques, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes various interpretations of the integral and its components.

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Hello. I'm attempting to integrat ∫ln(x+x^2)dx
Our professor gave us the hint of x(1+x)
I believe u= ln(x+x^2) and du=1+2x/x+x^2
I am not sure what dv should be
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
 
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klancello said:
Hello. I'm attempting to integrat ∫ln(x+x^2)dx
Our professor gave us the hint of x(1+x)
I believe u= ln(x+x^2) and du=1+2x/x+x^2
I am not sure what dv should be
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks

I would break your expression up a bit first into simpler things. What is the log of a product?

Though there may be more than one way.
 
i think this answer is:
1/4x(-x+2(x+2)lnx-4)+C
 
u=ln(x^2 + 1)-----)du=2x/(x^2+1)
v=x--------------)dv= dx.

note: der( u*v) = u dv+ v du.
and then Integrate both sides and you get :
uv= int(u dv)+ int (v du). Switch it around and you get int(u dv) =uv- int (v du)
So the integral is ln(x^2 + 1)*x- int(2x^2/x^2+1)
Next, integrate the last part. int(2x^2/(x^2+1)). Take the 2 out for a minute. Then add a one and subtract a one in the top. int(x^2+1-1)/(x^2+1). Separate them and the integral is int(1-1/(x^2+1)). That's x - tan inverse x. Put the 2 back in, and it's 2x-2 taninvers x.
Put them together and you will have ln(x^2 + 1)*x-2x+2 taninverse x+C.
 
Ouch! Where did [itex]ln(x^2+ 1)[/itex] come from? That is much harder than the given [itex]ln(x^2+ x)[/itex]

What epenguin was suggesting was that you use the fact that [itex]ln(x+ x^2)= ln(x(1+ x))= ln(x)+ ln(1+ x)[/itex].
 
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