Simplifying Logarithmic Ratios: How Do You Do It?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the simplification of the logarithmic ratio (Ln (2x/y) / Ln (x/y)) and how to manipulate it to express it in terms of m/n. Participants explore various approaches and properties of logarithms to achieve this simplification.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for help simplifying the logarithmic ratio and expresses confusion about the process.
  • Another suggests starting with cross-multiplication and applying properties of logarithms, such as log(x/y) = log(x) - log(y) and log(ab) = log(a) + log(b).
  • A participant elaborates on the initial suggestion by breaking down the logarithmic expressions: Ln (2x/y) = Ln 2 + Ln (x/y) and Ln (x/y) = Ln x - Ln y.
  • One participant proposes applying the exponential function to both sides after cross-multiplying, indicating a different interpretation of the original hint.
  • Another participant expresses a desire to reach the conclusion that the natural log ratio simplifies to 1 + (ln 2)/Ln (x/y) and asks how to arrive at this result.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of using logarithmic properties to achieve the simplification, specifically noting the relationship between Ln (2x/y) and its components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of logarithmic properties for simplification, but there are differing interpretations of the steps involved and the final form of the expression. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact pathway to the simplification.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific properties of logarithms, but there are unresolved assumptions about the manipulation of the expressions and the conditions under which the simplifications hold.

casanova2528
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how the heck do you simplify this ?

(Ln (2x/y) / Ln (x/y)) = m/n

HELP ME!
 
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Start by cross-multiplying, then apply what you know about the log of an exponential expression.
 
casanova2528 said:
how the heck do you simplify this ?

(Ln (2x/y) / Ln (x/y)) = m/n

HELP ME!

I am just going to elaborate a lill bit what marcusl already suggested.

You probbably know that

log\frac{x}{y}=log(x)-log(y)

Also

log(ab)=log(a)+log(b)

just apply these properties, and yu'll be fine.
 
Ln (2x/y) = Ln 2x - Ln y

Ln (x/y) = Ln x - Ln y

[Ln (2x/y) / Ln (x/y)] = (Ln 2x - Ln y) / (Ln x - Ln y)

what do I do now?
 
Well that wasn't how I interpreted the original hint. After cross-multiplying as already said, to n \log_e \left( \frac{2x}{y} \right) = m \log_e \left( \frac{x}{y} \right), I would have applied the exponential function to both sides and simplified.
 
Hell yeah.Gib Z is so right, my bad!
 
Gib Z said:
Well that wasn't how I interpreted the original hint. After cross-multiplying as already said, to n \log_e \left( \frac{2x}{y} \right) = m \log_e \left( \frac{x}{y} \right), I would have applied the exponential function to both sides and simplified.

that's not where I want to go.

basically, this natural log ratio reduces down to

1+ (ln 2)/Ln (X/Y)


how do you get here?
 
casanova2528, you started with an equation (note the equals sign), so I assume you meant to write : 1+ (ln 2)/Ln (X/Y) = m/n.

To get this you should use the property of logs that ln(2x/y) = ln(2) + ln(x/y). You should find it pretty easy from there.
 
uart said:
casanova2528, you started with an equation (note the equals sign), so I assume you meant to write : 1+ (ln 2)/Ln (X/Y) = m/n.

To get this you should use the property of logs that ln(2x/y) = ln(2) + ln(x/y). You should find it pretty easy from there.

thanks! Those darn properties!
 

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