Simplifying the Derivative of the Square Root of a Sum Containing a Square Root

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around simplifying the derivative of a function involving square roots, specifically the derivative of \( y = \sqrt{x + \sqrt{x^2 + 1}} \). The original poster expresses confusion regarding the transition between different forms of the derivative as presented in the problem statement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various algebraic manipulations to understand the simplification from one form of the derivative to another. They discuss multiplying and dividing by specific terms and rewriting expressions to clarify the relationships between the different forms.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights and suggestions for rewriting terms to aid in understanding the simplification process. The original poster indicates a growing understanding as a result of the discussion, though no explicit consensus or final resolution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that the problem may not require calculus, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the problem's requirements. There is also an acknowledgment of the difficulty in transitioning between the different equations presented.

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Homework Statement



EDIT: Ahhh, my apologies. At first, I thought it appropriate for the non-calculus sub-forum, but by the title it really does not, XD. I also can't seem to find how to remove it. The question really does not require calculus, though!

Basically, the problem of finding the derivative y' is fine, but there is a point at which the text further simplifies the derivative in a method I do not understand, specifically from equation (2) to (3).

D_{x}y = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x + \sqrt{x^{2}+1}}}\left[1 + \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^{2}+1}}\right] (1)
D_{x}y = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x + \sqrt{x^{2}+1}}}\left[\frac{\sqrt{x^{2}+1} + x}{\sqrt{x^{2}+1}}\right] (2)
D_{x}y = \frac{\sqrt{x + \sqrt{x^{2}+1}}}{2 \sqrt{x^{2}+1}} (3)

Homework Equations



If it helps, y = \sqrt{x + \sqrt{x^{2} + 1}}

The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried a few things, such as multiplying and dividing (2) by the numerator of (3), adding both of the squares in the denominators of (2), and various other attempts, such as trying to go from (3) to (2) or (1). However, I don't seem to get anywhere. What is this silly small thing I am probably not seeing, XD?

Much appreciation for any help!
 
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Something divided by the square root of itself is the square root of itself. Which in this case is x + sqrt(x^2+1).
 
Multiply top and bottom by \frac{\frac{1}{\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x^2+1}}}}<br /> <br /> {\frac{1}{\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x^2+1}}}}

Pretty much what Watermelonpig said.
 
Using the fact that x = (\sqrt{x})^2 = \sqrt{x}\cdot\sqrt{x}, try rewriting the top term in the brackets in (2) as
\sqrt{x^2 + 1} + x = (\sqrt{x + \sqrt{x^2 + 1}})^2 = \sqrt{x + \sqrt{x^2 + 1}} \cdot \sqrt{x + \sqrt{x^2 + 1}}
 
Ah! Thank you very much WatermelonPig, gb7nash, and Bohrok -- I do understand now.
 

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