Simulating the Three Body Problem

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The discussion revolves around simulating the Circular Restricted Three Body Problem using Excel. Participants explore the challenges of implementing the equations of motion for three bodies, particularly focusing on the transition from a two-body to a three-body simulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to simulate the Circular Restricted Three Body Problem in Excel but is unsure how to begin, despite having the equations of motion.
  • Another participant questions whether the original poster needs help specifically with Excel.
  • Several participants note that transitioning from a two-body simulation to a three-body simulation should be straightforward, yet the original poster indicates they are struggling with this process.
  • There is a suggestion to move the discussion to a programming subforum, as the question may not be strictly about physics.
  • One participant describes the dynamics of the three-body problem, emphasizing the dependence of the third body's motion on the positions and velocities of the first two bodies.
  • Another participant points out that the equations of motion could be re-expressed as a single vector equation rather than in component form.
  • Questions arise regarding the necessity of vectorial equations and the capabilities of Excel in handling such equations, particularly in relation to differential equation solvers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to simulate the three-body problem in Excel, and there are varying opinions on the necessity of vectorial equations and the challenges involved in the simulation process.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific difficulties faced by the original poster in implementing the equations of motion and the capabilities of Excel for such simulations. The discussion also highlights the potential need for programming knowledge, particularly in VBA, to address the challenges presented.

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Hello.

I want to simulate the Circular Restricted Three Body Problem in excel, however I don't know how to get started, even though I have the equations of motion.
The Planar, Circular Restricted Three Body Problem assumes that one body, m3, is neglebtaly small, and the two other bodies move around a common center of mass.
 
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Jesperchristiansen said:
I want to simulate the Circular Restricted Three Body Problem in excel, however I don't know how to get started, even though I have the equations of motion.
So you need help with Excel?
 
Yes, I’ve successfully created a two body simulation in Excel. However, I don’t know how to simulate a planer three body problem, even though it should be quite easy.
 
Jesperchristiansen said:
Yes, I’ve successfully created a two body simulation in Excel. However, I don’t know how to simulate a planer three body problem, even though it should be quite easy.
Then you should ask in the programming sub forum, as this is not really a question about physics.
 
I move this thread to Programming and Computer Science
 
So you've got two bodies that are only influenced by each other (i.e. a two-body problem that you say you've already solved) and a third whose equations of motion depend on its position and velocity and the positions of the first two. Where's the problem?
 
Ibix said:
So you've got two bodies that are only influenced by each other (i.e. a two-body problem that you say you've already solved) and a third whose equations of motion depend on its position and velocity and the positions of the first two. Where's the problem?

I don't know how to insert the equation of motion of the third body in excel, since it includes vectorrelations as shown in this website: http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~megraw/MATH1/math1.html
 

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None of those quantities are vectors in the form written. You could re-express the equations as a single vector equation instead of two equations in terms of components if you wanted.
 
Thanks a lot. How could I do that?
 
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I'm confused. You've got equations in a non-vectorial format. Presumably you've got some kind of differential equation solver going to have been able to solve the two-body problem. I'm not sure I understand what your difficulties are. Why would you need the equations in a vectorial form? I'm not aware of any way to make Excel handle them, unless you've gone pretty deep into VBA.
 

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