Sine Fourier series and coefficient of Fourier series

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The discussion revolves around finding the sine Fourier series for the function \( f(x) = x(\pi - x) \) over the interval \( 0 \leq x \leq \pi \) and exploring related Fourier series properties. Participants also address a second problem involving an odd piecewise continuous function of period \( 4L \) that is even with respect to \( x = L \).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to find the Fourier series for a non-symmetric interval.
  • Another participant provides Fourier coefficients for \( f(x) \) but later corrects their earlier values, indicating a potential misunderstanding.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the Fourier series results, including specific sums and identities derived from the series.
  • There is a suggestion that the infinite sum of sine terms is non-negative for \( 0 \leq x \leq \pi \), but the behavior for \( -\pi \leq x \leq 0 \) is questioned.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of an odd piecewise continuous function that is even with respect to \( x = L \), indicating confusion about the definitions involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the second problem, with ongoing questions about the definitions and implications of the function properties. There are also corrections and refinements of earlier claims regarding the Fourier coefficients, but no definitive agreement on the overall approach to the problems.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the mathematical steps involved in deriving the Fourier series, particularly for non-symmetric intervals. The discussion includes corrections to earlier claims about Fourier coefficients, indicating potential misunderstandings that remain unresolved.

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1) Find the sine Fourier series of $f(x)=x(\pi-x),\,0\le x\le\pi$ and show that $\displaystyle\sum_{k\ge1}\frac{(-1)^k}{(2k-1)^3},\,\sum_{k\ge1}\frac1{(2k-1)^6}$ and $\displaystyle\sum_{k\ge1}\frac{\sin\big((2k-1)\sqrt5\pi\big)}{(2k-1)^3}$ and to show that $\displaystyle\sum_{k\ge0}\frac{\sin(2n-1)x}{(2n-1)^3}>0$ for all $x\in(0,\pi).$

2) Let $f$ be an odd piecewise continuous function of period $4L$ and which is even with respect $x=L.$ Show that the Fourier series of $f$ is $\displaystyle\sum_{n\ge1}b_{2n-1}\sin\frac{(2n-1)\pi}{2L}x,$ where $b_{2n-1}=\displaystyle\frac2L\int_0^L f(x)\sin\frac{(2n-1)\pi}{2L}x\,dx.$

Attempts:

1) I don't know how to find the Fourier series here, how to work with a non-symmetric interval?

2) No ideas here, how to start?
 
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Markov said:
1) Find the sine Fourierseries of $f(x)=x(\pi-x),\,0\le x\le\pi$...

If f(x) is $2 \pi$ periodic then is...

$\displaystyle a_{n}= \frac{1}{\pi}\ \int_{0}^{\pi} x\ (\pi-x) \cos nx\ dx = \left\{\begin{array}{cl}\frac{\pi^{2}}{6},&n=0\\ \frac{(-1)^{n}}{\pi\ n^{2}},&n > 0\end{array}\right.$

$\displaystyle b_{n}= \frac{1}{\pi}\ \int_{0}^{\pi} x\ (\pi-x) \sin nx\ dx = \frac{2}{\pi}\ \frac{1 - (-1)^{n}}{n^{3}}$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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Okay, makes sense! Could you help me with second part?
 
First of all I need to correct my previous post because the values of the $a_{n}$ aren't correct (Headbang)... Here the Fourier coefficients for...

$f(x)=\begin{cases} x\ (\pi-x) &\text{if}\ 0< x<\pi\\ 0 &\text{if}\ -\pi<x\le 0\end{cases}$


$\displaystyle a_{n}= \frac{1}{\pi}\ \int_{0}^{\pi} x\ (\pi-x) \cos nx\ dx = \left\{\begin{array}{cl}\frac{\pi^{2}}{6},&n=0\\ \frac{(-1)^{n}}{n^{2}},&n > 0\end{array}\right.$

$\displaystyle b_{n}= \frac{1}{\pi}\ \int_{0}^{\pi} x\ (\pi-x) \sin nx\ dx = \frac{2}{\pi}\ \frac{1 - (-1)^{n}}{n^{3}}$

Very sorry!...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
The results obtained in the last post permits us to write...

$\displaystyle f(x)= \frac{\pi^{2}}{12} - (\cos x - \frac{1}{4}\ \cos 2x +\frac{1}{9}\ \cos 3x - \frac{1}{16}\ \cos 4x +...) + \frac{4}{\pi}\ (\sin x + \frac{1}{27}\ \sin 3x + \frac{1}{125}\ \sin 5x +...)$ (1)

... where for $0 \le x < \pi $ is $f(x)=x\ (\pi-x)$. Setting in (2) $x=0$ we obtain...

$\displaystyle \frac{\pi^{2}}{12}= 1 - \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{9} - \frac{1}{16}+...$ (2)

... and setting in (2) $x=\frac{\pi}{2}$ we obtain...

$\displaystyle \frac{\pi^{3}}{32} = 1 - \frac{1}{27} + \frac{1}{125} -...$ (3)

Other values of $0 \le x < \pi $ can be inserted in (2) obtaining more interesting results and the task is left to the reader...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

 
The task is greatly more simple using the 'double identity', easy obtainable from the Fourier expansion just described...

$\displaystyle \frac{\pi^{2}}{12} - (\cos x - \frac{1}{4}\ \cos 2x +\frac{1}{9}\ \cos 3x - \frac{1}{16}\ \cos 4x +...) = \frac{4}{\pi}\ (\sin x + \frac{1}{27}\ \sin 3x + \frac{1}{125}\ \sin 5x +...)= \frac{x\ (\pi-x)}{2}$ (1)

... where for $0 \le x \le \pi $. For example setting in (1) $x=\frac{\pi}{4}$ You obtain...

$\displaystyle 1 + \frac{1}{27} - \frac{1}{125} - \frac{1}{343} +... = \pi^{3}\ \frac{3}{64\ \sqrt{2}}= 1.02772258593...$ (2)

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

 
In the last post we have seen that the'identity'...

$\displaystyle \frac{4}{\pi}\ (\sin x +\frac{1}{27}\ \sin 3x + \frac{1}{125}\ \sin 5x +...)= \frac{x\ (\pi-x)}{2}$ (1)

... is true for $0 \le x \le \pi$ and in that interval the 'infinite sum' is greater or equal to 0. A simple question: whatabout $-\pi \le x \le 0$?... the answer is easy: in that case change the sign of second term of (1)...

In the starting post it was requested the value of $\displaystyle\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{n}}{(2n+1)^{3}}\ \sin (2n+1) x$ for $x=\pi\ \sqrt{5}$... because is $\displaystyle \pi \sqrt{5}= \pi (\sqrt{5}-2)\ \text{mod}\ 2 \pi$ is...

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{n}}{(2n+1)^{3}}\ \sin (2n+1)\ \pi \sqrt{5} = \frac{11 - 5 \sqrt{5}}{8}\ \pi^{3} = -.6989585560358...$ (2)

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

 
Thanks a lot! That helped me a lot! Could you help me with second problem please?
 
For the second problem is essential for me to understand better that...

Markov said:
... let $f$ be an odd piecewise continuous function of period $4L$ and which is even with respect $x=L$...

... what does it mean that?... may be that is even in the two half periods and odd in the full period?...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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Sorry for the delay, well, I wouldn't know really what exactly that means. :(
 

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