What Physics Topics Relate to Ski Lifts?

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The discussion revolves around the physics topics related to ski lifts, particularly focusing on the forces involved, such as friction and weight. Participants are exploring measurable aspects of ski lifts that can be investigated through calculations or experiments.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various methods for calculating the downward pressure of riders and its effect on friction in the haul rope. Questions about the feasibility of experiments and the necessary measurements are raised, including the consideration of friction coefficients and dynamic testing.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on how to approach the investigation. Some suggest theoretical calculations, while others propose practical experiments to measure forces and power consumption. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but multiple avenues for exploration are being considered.

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Participants are considering the availability of ski lifts for practical testing and the implications of various assumptions, such as the number of riders and friction factors. The discussion reflects a mix of theoretical and experimental approaches to understanding the physics involved.

Chairliftop
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Hello Everybody!

I am looking for some help in formulating an investigation topic relating to ski lifts. What measurable physics topics relate to ski lifts?

One idea I came up with how much downward pressure of riders on a chairlift would overcome the friction of the haul rope (the cable) on the bull wheel (the main wheel at the bottom and top terminals)? How would I go about calculating this?

Thank you so much in advance!
 
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Hello ClO, :welcome:

Chairliftop said:
How would I go about calculating this?
Well, you set the distance between skiers on the haul side of the rope, say 10 m. You pick a length for the haul side of rope, say 500 m. So 50 skiers at any time. Average weight, slope angle and there you go (with a few relevant equations -- you collect them and list them in a next post). You could ignore friction at first, perhaps later add a friction coefficient -- if that's already been treated in you class.
 
Calculation won't help if you don't know the friction. Can you ruin a test with zero riders and measure the electric power consumption. That's a fair approximation of the friction losses.

Better still its to run a real test with riders and measure the power consumption dynamically.
 
Is this a thought experiment? Or do you have a ski lift available ? You could measure the force needed to haul one skier up with a spring balance
spring-balance-scale.png
(picture borrowed from here -- you'll need a heavier kind)

Note that this force has to compensate some dynamic friction plus a fraction of the weight of the skier !
 

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