Sliding on an object on an inclined plane

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This discussion revolves around the mechanics of an object sliding down an inclined plane, particularly focusing on the forces acting on the object, including gravitational and normal forces, and the role of vector components in this motion. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications regarding motion on inclined surfaces with negligible friction.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the object slides down due to the horizontal component (Px) of the gravitational force, while the vertical component (Py) cancels with the normal force (R).
  • Others question the cancellation of forces, asking whether the gravitational force is completely negated or if it still acts on the object while sliding.
  • There is a discussion about whether the normal force acts continuously on the object throughout its path on the incline.
  • Some participants clarify that the normal force and gravitational force are not eliminated but rather their components are considered at specific points along the incline.
  • One participant emphasizes that the component of the gravitational force and the magnitude of friction (if present) determine the motion of the object on the slope.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the cancellation of forces and the role of the normal force during the sliding motion. While some agree on the continuous presence of the normal force, others debate the implications of force components at various points along the incline. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these forces and their effects on the object's motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the second law of motion and vector decomposition but do not reach a consensus on the implications of these concepts for the motion of the object on the inclined plane.

Shardul Khare
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How does the object slide down the surface (With friction negligible)
 
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It's the Px vector component of the vector P that makes the object slides down along the surface , because the Py component cancels with the R vector , by using 2'nd motion law : P + R = m.a , we can break the P into sub component vectors : Px + Py + R = m.a , the Py and R cancel each other's , so you'll get :
m.a = Px , that means that the object is moving in the direction of the vector Px so it's sliding down . look :
 

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Shardul Khare said:
How does the object slide down the surface (With friction negligible)
You'll need to be more specific. Tell us what you know and what you don't understand.

In the meantime, read this: Inclined Planes
 
We know that Object moves due to its Horizontal and vertical components right? So cancelling out means that it doesn't have any vertical component?
and how does the normal act when the object is moving?
 
mamadou said:
It's the Px vector component of the vector P that makes the object slides down along the surface , because the Py component cancels with the R vector , by using 2'nd motion law : P + R = m.a , we can break the P into sub component vectors : Px + Py + R = m.a , the Py and R cancel each other's , so you'll get :
m.a = Px , that means that the object is moving in the direction of the vector Px so it's sliding down . look :
.You have canceled the Normal and Gravitational force only that that specific point right? But we have learned that gravity is always acting on that object...Wont it have any gravitational force when sliding?
 
Shardul Khare said:
.You have canceled the Normal and Gravitational force only that that specific point right? But we have learned that gravity is always acting on that object...Wont it have any gravitational force when sliding?
it does, but its the component of the force and the magnitude of friction that opposes the direciton of motion on the slope that determines if it slides.
 
I didn't cancel the "GRAVITATIONAL" force , but the "Y COMPOONENT" of the gravitational force , which means that the x component is still remaining .
 
mamadou said:
I didn't cancel the "GRAVITATIONAL" force , but the "Y COMPOONENT" of the gravitational force , which means that the x component is still remaining .
Yes, Lemme clear my doubt, The object is kept on an inclined surface...It won't go down because of the Normal force...And will slide down due to its horizontal component,right? But won't it have Normal foce on each point of its path while sliding after the initial Normal is cancellled out with the component AT THAT POINT?
 
the Normal force isn't restricted on the beginning point as you're saying , but it follows the object until the end of the path , and so do the gravity of course.
 
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Yes right,So as the Normal acts on the objects continuously, as we have seen on the initial point the Normal Foce cancels out the gravitational force at that pont,So this process will happen on ecah point on the surface right?
 
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yes exactly !
 
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