News Slobodan Milošević dies in prison cell

[selfAdjoint]

You of course know there is a difference between knowing about it and ordering it...

Well the government is trying to convict Mousassoui of felony murder for allegedly knowing about the 9-11 plot and not informing the FBI, but not for ordering it, so maybe it's a question of whose ox is gored?

 

[Art]

You of course know there is a difference between knowing about it and ordering it...

I do but it seems some of the posters at the start of this thread didn't, including yourself. But not to get hung up on semantics perhaps I should point out that Milosevic was never accused of ordering genocide. Following his initial arrest for alleged involvement in war crimes in Kosovo it quickly became clear for the reasons I've already stated these charges weren't going to go too far and so they added new indictments. He was accused of assisting serbs in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo and so setting in train a string of events where "genocide was a forseeable consequence". All this despite the fact that after the Dayton agreement he was lauded as the region's peacemaker for forcing concessions from the Croat and Bosnian serbs, who had been fighting civil wars in their own countries, and so ending the conflicts.

Some people here were very insistant that Milosevic was guilty of genocide in Kosovo when in fact it has since been proven there was no genocide for him to be guilty of. There were only isolated incidents of soldiers going on a personal rampage - the same as some US troops in Iraq. So if Milosevic deserved to be dragged off to the international court for that then so does Bush. In fact more so. At least Milosevic's troops were acting on their own soil, the US troops are doing it in someone else's country and the civilian death toll (from forseeable consequences) is far higher.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Well the government is trying to convict Mousassoui of felony murder for allegedly knowing about the 9-11 plot and not informing the FBI, but not for ordering it, so maybe it's a question of whose ox is gored?

Conspiracy to Commit Acts of Terrorism
Transcending National Boundaries
(18 U.S.C. §§ 2332b(a)(2) & (c))
(Count One)

Conspiracy to Commit Aircraft Piracy
(49 U.S.C. §§ 46502(a)(1)(A) and (a)(2)(B))
(Count Two)

Conspiracy to Destroy Aircraft
(18 U.S.C. §§ 32(a)(7) & 34)
(Count Three)

Conspiracy to Use Weapons of Mass Destruction
(18 U.S.C. § 2332a(a))
(Count Four)

Conspiracy to Murder United States Employees
(18 U.S.C. §§ 1114 & 1117)
(Count Five)

Conspiracy to Destroy Property
(18 U.S.C. §§ 844(f), (i), (n))
(Count Six)

http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/moussaouiindictment.htm

All the charges here are for conspiracy, not the actual act. That's a bit different.

 

[russ_watters]

Well the government is trying to convict Mousassoui of felony murder for allegedly knowing about the 9-11 plot and not informing the FBI, but not for ordering it, so maybe it's a question of whose ox is gored?

Moussasoui was part of the conspiracy, and plead guilty to those charges, sA. He's already been convicted.

He was not charged with murder, afaik (do you have some info on that...?). He couldn't be, since he wasn't involved in the events of 9/11 - iirc, he was in jail on 9/11.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4471019.stm

Moussaoui, a 37-year-old French citizen of Moroccan origin, pleaded guilty last April to conspiring with the 19 men who carried out the suicide hijacking attacks on New York and Washington.

He admitted four charges that carry the death penalty - conspiracy to commit acts of terrorism, to commit aircraft piracy, to destroy aircraft and to use weapons of mass destruction.

He also admitted conspiracy to kill US government officials and destroy US government property - two lesser offences.

 

[russ_watters]

I do but it seems some of the posters at the start of this thread didn't, including yourself.

Excuse me? Are you typing backwards? You are the one who just equated the two, not me. I was quite explicit in stating that the issue was his "involvement".

This really is surreal, Art - you say something that is wrong, I point out to you that it is wrong, then you deny you said it and claim I said it! You do know we can all read all the posts in this thread, right?

 

[Art]

Excuse me? Are you typing backwards? You are the one who just equated the two, not me. I was quite explicit in stating that the issue was his "involvement".

This really is surreal, Art - you say something that is wrong, I point out to you that it is wrong, then you deny you said it and claim I said it! You do know we can all read all the posts in this thread, right?

Perhaps you should reread the posts. Your mail pointing out the difference between knowing about something and ordering something appeared to suggest that you believed Milosevic ordered the war crimes as simply knowing about them is obviously not a crime.

If that's not what you meant then I have no idea what point you were trying to make. Do you?