Smoking pot into your 30's, or even 40's.

[Anttech]

I also find it ironic that people find Binge drinking normal?
What is it with that...
If I was to say, I'm going out tonight to get drunk because its friday I would be perceived by the majority (especially in the UK) as a normal person doing normal things. But If i was to say, man I am going to go home and get stoned out of my tree, people would look at me as if I was wired dope fiend. (Well not with the people I associated myself with, but in general)...

Binge drinking is worse for your health and has far more undesirable effects than smoking Dope, but the perception Falsely is otherwise!

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

As a former pothead myself of 10+ years, I can guarantee that marijuana can be addictive in the mental sense-maybe not for you personally, but I have seen it grip people who feel they need it.

What were the withdrawal symptoms?

I think the biggest argument of why cannabis is illegal is because of the threat that hemp-the non THC relative of cannabis-has on major corporate industries such as lumber, cotton, and the big one-oil.

I'm sure all of these are legally sold in the UK. Certainly products containing or made out of hemp wood, hemp cloth and hemp oil are sold legally.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

IMO The reason with Marjauana is illegal in some countries is because of the perceived "lifestlye" associated with people who smoke it. Which maybe true in some cases, but in my experience no where near as much as it is perceived

Meanwhile the lifestyle associated with drinking appears of no concern to anyone. It's hardly an argument, is it. "Legalisation of cannabis will introduce a drug culture." "Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't listening due to this group of pissed-up 14 yr olds trying to set me on fire for no reason."

When it is legallised you will find that normal people will come out of the woodwork who were smoking maruajana before it was made legal...

If they just allowed it to be smoked at home, no-one would be none the wiser anyway - that's what we're doing now, just illegally.

Police won't even arrest you for possesion, only dealing. They just don't have the man power, and need to be concentrating on real crimes...

When cannabis was given a lower classification in the UK, a Guardian reporter sparked up a spliff outside a police station window to see what would happen. Nobody cared. The only people who care about cannabis staying illegal are those who benefit financially from it and those who have no idea what it does, and more importantly what it doesn't do. Fools and villians.

 

[Anttech]

I'm sure all of these are legally sold in the UK. Certainly products containing or made out of hemp wood, hemp cloth and hemp oil are sold legally.

Yes they are.. It is also a very good renewable source, Marajuana is a very easy to grow in the right climate, thus it is called "weed"

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Yes they are.. It is also a very good renewable source, Marajuana is a very easy to grow in the right climate, thus it is called "weed"

I know. Once you get the conditions right, the stuff grows like wildfire. It's actually quite scary how fast it grows. A friend of mine grew it in his loft. It got out of control and he was worried about the logistics of disposing of an illegal plant in bulk quantities. Heh heh.

Anyway, my point was that, so far, the hemp trade hasn't dealt such a blow to major industry. However, we're not doing it on an industrial scale.

If I remember rightly, we can grow hemp though. I'm not sure why or when someone is allowed to farm it. Any ideas?

 

[Anttech]

It got out of control and he was worried about the logistics of disposing of an illegal plant in bulk quantities. Heh heh.

How about, up in smoke ;-)

Not sure, I know in the Netherlands you are allowed up to 51 plants (high grade) for "personal use" LOL I found that funny...

In the UK I *think* one is allowed to grow hemp (Low grade) for use as a fiber, but you have to have a license, so no seeds or smoking ;-)

 

[Kerrie]

What were the withdrawal symptoms?
I'm sure all of these are legally sold in the UK. Certainly products containing or made out of hemp wood, hemp cloth and hemp oil are sold legally.

withdrawal symptoms are anxiety and moodiness for those who need it on a mental basis. of course marijuana addiction is nothing like heroin addiction or alcohol, but it can still have some control and grip on a person and their choices.

in america, industrialized hemp is illegal, therefore mass production of it cannot be produced because of the threat to big businesses. the stigma of hemp and marijuana being one and the same is one derived from ignorance.

here's a festival i have attended once, and had the opportunity to see woody harrelson speak, who is a big hemp advocate:
http://www.seattlehempfest.com/

all in all, i don't think we need to glorify marijuana as a substance that ik okay for all to use. it still affects people's choices that ultimately can affect another-just like alcohol or any other narcotic. if it ever became legal to consume, i think the laws we enforce for alcohol should be consistent for pot. the most practical reason to legalize is because of the effect it has on the legal system (at least in america).

 

[Anttech]

the most practical reason to legalize is because of the effect it has on the legal system (at least in america).

How about releasing funds and resources to the law enforcement agencies to actualy tackle crime? I think that is a very practical reason also.
BTW- I don't consider smoking marajuana any more of a crime than drinking, or even inflicting harm upon oneself by hitting there own face!

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

withdrawal symptoms are anxiety and moodiness for those who need it on a mental basis. of course marijuana addiction is nothing like heroin addiction or alcohol, but it can still have some control and grip on a person and their choices.

Where these people also cigarettes smokers and, if so, did they continue to smoke cigarettes after they stopped smoking grass?

all in all, i don't think we need to glorify marijuana as a substance that ik okay for all to use. it still affects people's choices that ultimately can affect another-just like alcohol or any other narcotic. if it ever became legal to consume, i think the laws we enforce for alcohol should be consistent for pot. the most practical reason to legalize is because of the effect it has on the legal system (at least in america).

I agree. Smoke-driving not a good idea.

 

[Kerrie]

How about releasing funds and resources to the law enforcement agencies to actualy tackle crime? I think that is a very practical reason also.
BTW- I don't consider smoking marajuana any more of a crime than drinking, or even inflicting harm upon oneself by hitting there own face!

that's what i was implying when i said the affect it has on the legal system-criminalizing it takes away from more important criminal issues.

 

[Kerrie]

Where these people also cigarettes smokers and, if so, did they continue to smoke cigarettes after they stopped smoking grass?
I agree. Smoke-driving not a good idea.

no, myself nor the others i have known were addicted to nicotine. not having it for a few days made me experience even more moodiness and anxiety, same with others who smoked chronically then stopped cold turkey. my stand on the issue is the responsible use of it, but i don't glorify it like i once had in my 20's.

 

[russ_watters]

Can you elaborate on "problems"? That's a vague term. It would seem to me that marijuana was the cause of these problems rather then the problems causing the marijuana smoking.

"Problems" is vague because of the "a lot" part. I know one married couple that gets high on a daily basis and they fight all the time (that's just the beginning of their problems). I'm not implying a definite cause-effect relationship here, I'm just saying I don't want to be like them, so whether it's a cause or an effect doesn't really matter.

 

[loseyourname]

"Problems" is vague because of the "a lot" part. I know one married couple that gets high on a daily basis and they fight all the time (that's just the beginning of their problems). I'm not implying a definite cause-effect relationship here, I'm just saying I don't want to be like them, so whether it's a cause or an effect doesn't really matter.

Marijuana definitely does not make anybody beligerent. You might argue over the fact that one is always high, but that's pretty hypocritical if both are always high.

 

[russ_watters]

Marijuana definitely does not make anybody beligerent.

Perhaps, but if you take a couple of highly beligerent people and remove their already limited inhibitions...

Anyway, it could be the combination of alcohol and pot. The point is, I don't want to be like them and that is one part of their personalities.

 

[Kerrie]

Marijuana definitely does not make anybody beligerent. You might argue over the fact that one is always high, but that's pretty hypocritical if both are always high.

generally not, i agree, but when someone is out of pot and uptight, then i can see how an argument starts. alcohol makes people far more beligerent.

 

[loseyourname]

generally not i agree, but when someone is out of pot and uptight, then i can see how an argument starts. alcohol makes people far more beligerent.

One of the reasons I don't really drink very much is just that. I already have anger control issues and I'm a little afraid of what I might do if I ever got that violent. However, the few times I used marijuana before developing smoke allergies, my experiences were of being very calmed and in love with pretty much everything. In fact, it seemed that any two people who were high instantly became best friends, regardless of whatever violence or anger they might otherwise have been hampered with. I think it's a great drug in that respect.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

no, myself nor the others i have known were addicted to nicotine. not having it for a few days made me experience even more moodiness and anxiety, same with others who smoked chronically then stopped cold turkey. my stand on the issue is the responsible use of it, but i don't glorify it like i once had in my 20's.

Couldn't quite follow your answer. No, they weren't cigarette smokers? It's just that you describe nicotine withdrawal symptoms (anxiety, mood swings) after ceasing smoking marijuana. If they weren't smokers, this is more likely attributed to the tobacco they used in their spliffs.

 

[Kerrie]

Couldn't quite follow your answer. No, they weren't cigarette smokers? It's just that you describe nicotine withdrawal symptoms (anxiety, mood swings) after ceasing smoking marijuana. If they weren't smokers, this is more likely attributed to the tobacco they used in their spliffs.

i am saying that i experienced anxiety and mood swings after ceasing marijuana smoking for years and i was not a cigarrette smoker either. those i have known to smoke MJ chronically also were not cigarette smokers and experienced the same symptoms as i did. one person i know who still smokes won't quit simply because he feels much less anxious when doped up (he smokes at least a bowl a day). if you refuse to stop because of the symptoms, that's addiction-whether it be on a mental level or physical level. i don't think marijuana addiction is something everyone experiences, but it is for some.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

i am saying that i experienced anxiety and mood swings after ceasing marijuana smoking for years and i was not a cigarrette smoker either. those i have known to smoke MJ chronically also were not cigarette smokers and experienced the same symptoms as i did.

Okay, next question: what did you put in your joints other than marijuana? If nothing, fair play you are hardcore. Most people put tobacco in theirs. Thus when they stop smoking they feel anxiety, mood swings, lack of concentration, etc. This are all nictotine withdrawal symptoms.

one person i know who still smokes won't quit simply because he feels much less anxious when doped up (he smokes at least a bowl a day). if you refuse to stop because of the symptoms, that's addiction-whether it be on a mental level or physical level. i don't think marijuana addiction is something everyone experiences, but it is for some.

I don't know your friend, but it sounds to me like he is an anxious person and grass offers relief. If I suffer from chronic pain and smoke grass for relief, if I then stop the pain will come back. This pain is not a side-effect of cannabis withdrawal - it is a direct effect of whatever originally caused the pain.

 

[Kerrie]

Okay, next question: what did you put in your joints other than marijuana? If nothing, fair play you are hardcore. Most people put tobacco in theirs. Thus when they stop smoking they feel anxiety, mood swings, lack of concentration, etc. This are all nictotine withdrawal symptoms.
I don't know your friend, but it sounds to me like he is an anxious person and grass offers relief. If I suffer from chronic pain and smoke grass for relief, if I then stop the pain will come back. This pain is not a side-effect of cannabis withdrawal - it is a direct effect of whatever originally caused the pain.

I think we are getting off track here. Different experiences for different people. I smoked pot for over 10 years daily, after so long and so much, it had an effect on me. I don't think this forum is the place to glorify its use in anyway as we have readers who are nder age 18.

 

[Evo]

My opinion - drug use at best is stupid, it goes downhill from there.