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The discussion revolves around solving a mechanics problem involving a block on an inclined plane. The user seeks clarification on deriving equations related to the forces acting on the block, specifically how to transition from the horizontal force equation to the tangent function. The key equations discussed include 5g sin(X) = 168 cos(X) and tan(X) = 168/(5g). The user also acknowledges a typo that led to confusion in their calculations. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of understanding the algebraic manipulations in physics problems.

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I have a question that i am struggling to come to terms with. I know how to get the answer but i am not 100% sure why what i am doing works.

The question :

A smooth plane is inclined at X degrees to the horizontal.
A block of mass 5KG is held at rest on the plane by a horizontal force of magnitude 168N.

Find :
Angle X
The force on Normal on the block.


Ok, so far i have this.

i separated the horizontal force of 168N into a force horizontal and a force parralel to the plane.

Horizontal : 168CosX = 5gsinX
parallel : N = mgcosX + 168sin X

Now somehow, and this is the part i do not understand 100%

you get to the equation

5gcosX=168cosX
sinX/cosX=168/5g
tanX=168/5g

so then X is the tan^-1 of (168/5g).

and then you put it back in the parallel equation to find N, the normal.

Can someone explain to me how you come about reaching these equations :

5gcosX=168cosX
sinX/cosX=168/5g
tanX=168/5g


thank you.
 
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Compare this:
DeanBH said:
Horizontal : 168CosX = 5gsinX
To these:
5gcosX=168cosX
sinX/cosX=168/5g
tanX=168/5g
The first of these equations has a typo. But these are all restatements and rearrangements of your original equation for horizontal (parallel to the incline) equilibrium.

Or are you asking how one does the algebraic steps?
 
Doc Al said:
Compare this:

To these:

The first of these equations has a typo. But these are all restatements and rearrangements of your original equation for horizontal (parallel to the incline) equilibrium.

Or are you asking how one does the algebraic steps?

oops 5gcosX=168cosX meant to be 5gsinX=168cosX,

typo confused myself, that's why i had written down.

no wonder i didnt know how i got that, its not possible :P NVM =) thanks for having the sense to point that out though. lol.

btw : OT

im currently sitting Maths, mechanics and physics at AS level in 6th form.
This was a question from mechanics, but there is similar things in physics 1.

on about the 16th of may i have lots of exams, i have all re-sits from january because i did terrible.

Maths : E
Physics : U

so now i have maths 1, maths 2, mechanics 1, physics 1 and physics 2.

i also have ict 1 and 2, and economics 1 but they are less of a worry to me.

I'm determined to get an A in everything i sit, so I'm going to do nothing but revise for this month and ensure that i get A's. The simple fact is, if you do this physics a lot, you will get an A, no real intelligence involved at this level.

so thanks for the help i will be asking a lot more questions, glad there's people like you to point out my stupid mistakes 8D. I also have a scanner set up so I'm likely to be adding pictures to questions i CBA to explain.

lolthx
 

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