{Sn} is convergent -> {|Sn|} is convergent

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The discussion revolves around proving that if the sequence {Sn} is convergent, then the sequence {|Sn|} is also convergent. The context is rooted in the properties of convergent sequences and their absolute values.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the contrapositive approach and consider using the triangle inequality to relate the convergence of {Sn} to that of {|Sn|}. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the limits of the sequences and their absolute values.

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Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for approaching the proof, particularly emphasizing the triangle inequality. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and there is ongoing dialogue about the correct application of mathematical concepts.

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There is a mention of the need to show convergence to |S| rather than S, indicating a specific focus within the proof. Additionally, a separate thread about a different problem is present, which may distract from the main discussion.

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{Sn} is convergent ---> {|Sn|} is convergent

Homework Statement



I need to prove that if {sn} is convergent, then {|sn|} is convergent.

Homework Equations



sn is convergent if for some s and all ε > 0 there exists a positive integer N such that |sn - s| < ε whenever nN.

The Attempt at a Solution



Proof. By contrapositive. Suppose {|sn|} is not convergent. Then for all s there exists an ε > 0 such that ||sn| - s|| ≥ ε for all n.

... I need to somehow show that this implies that {sn} does not converge.

Maybe some fancy triangle inequality thing like

ε ≤ ||sn| - s| ≤ ||sn| - sn| + |sn - s|

Wat do, PF?
 
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Ah, wait. I think I figured out something.

ε ≤ ||sn| - s| ≤ ||sn| - sn| + |sn - s| ≤ 2|sn| + |sn - s|

Am I any closer?
 
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You are supposed to show that |Sn| converges to |S| not to S.
The trick is to show that ||Sn|-|S|| <= |Sn-S|

Hint to showing it:
|S| = |Sn + (S-Sn)|
And use the triangle inequality.
 


MaxManus said:
You are supposed to show that |Sn| converges to |S| not to S.
The trick is to show that ||Sn|-|S|| <= |Sn-S|

Hint to showing it:
|S| = |Sn + (S-Sn)|
And use the triangle inequality.

I knew the triangle inequality would show his face somewhere.
 


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Hey, I need a hint for another problem. (You guys give stellar hints. Pat yourselves on the back.)

Suppose {pn} is a Cauchy sequence in a metric space X, and some subsequence {pni} converges to a point p in X. Prove that the full sequence {pn} converges to p.

As always, I'd love to use contradiction.

Suppose {pn} does not converge to p. Then for some ε > 0, d(p,pn) ≥ ε for all n. Then d(pm,pn)+d(pm,p) ≥ ε for all m, n. But {pm} is a Cauchy sequence, so with the proper choice of m, n we'll have d(pm,pn) < ε. ... blah blah I hope this is going somewhere. A little hint, maybe?
 

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