So, why is the potential decreasing as we move away from the origin?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of electric potential in a three-dimensional space, particularly how it changes as one moves away from the origin. The original poster notes a potential of 10V at the origin, decreasing to 8V at a distance of 1 unit along any axis, and expresses confusion regarding the mathematical explanation for this behavior.

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  • Participants explore geometric and mathematical methods to explain the decrease in potential. Some suggest visualizing the potential planes and using proportions, while others propose calculating the electric field from the given potentials.

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Participants are actively discussing various methods to understand the relationship between electric potential and distance. Some guidance has been offered regarding geometric interpretations and mathematical approaches, but there is no explicit consensus on a single method or explanation.

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There is an emphasis on the need for a mathematical explanation, and participants are questioning the assumptions made about the uniformity of the electric field and the nature of potential changes in the given scenario.

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Hi friends Problem is -

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Attempt -

Well the potential at the origin is 10V. But if we move a distance of 1unit from the origin in any axis, the potential becomes 8 V. The difference is only 2V. The potential is decreasing as we move away from the origin. And the point (1,1,1) is not too far from point (1,0,0). Hence the potential decreases by a small amount It'll not be zero because otherwise the difference would be of 8 V, which is unsatisfactory. Hence the answer would be 4 V.

And the answer is also correct according to the book.
But friends the problem is that I am unable to make any mathematical explanation for this question. Please fiends give your suggestions.

Thank you all in advance.
 
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Geometric method: If you draw the projection of the cube onto a piece of paper such that the 8V plane formed by the points (001), (010), and (100) is viewed "on edge" (and the plane formed by (110), (101), and (011) also viewed on edge), you will see the line segment connecting (000) and (111), normal to these planes, is divided equally into thirds.

Math method: Find the [shortest] distance between (000) and the 8V plane. Find the distance between (000) and (111). Proportions.
 
Determine the E field from the given potentials using ΔV = -∫E*ds from the origin to each of x, y and z positions, where ΔV = -2V for each direction,

where ds = dx i + dy j + dz k.

Then integrate -∫E*ds along each of the three directions to get ΔV from (0,0,0) to (1,1,1).

Finally of course answer = ΔV + the voltage at (0,0,0).

Vectors are in bold face. * means dot product.
 
thunderhadron said:
Hi friends Problem is -

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/548739_2677144185130_1329975308_n.jpg

Attempt -

Well the potential at the origin is 10V. But if we move a distance of 1unit from the origin in any axis, the potential becomes 8 V. The difference is only 2V. The potential is decreasing as we move away from the origin. And the point (1,1,1) is not too far from point (1,0,0). Hence the potential decreases by a small amount It'll not be zero because otherwise the difference would be of 8 V, which is unsatisfactory. Hence the answer would be 4 V.

And the answer is also correct according to the book.
But friends the problem is that I am unable to make any mathematical explanation for this question. Please fiends give your suggestions.

Thank you all in advance.
Well, it's a uniform electric field.

If you move 1 unit in the positive x direction, the electric potential decreases by 2 Volts, no matter the starting location.

Similar results hold for moving 1 unit parallel to either of the axes, y or z.
 

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