Solid angle (and integral of a sine function)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the solid angle of a right rectangular pyramid, specifically focusing on the evaluation of an integral involving the sine function. Participants are examining the transition between equations in a mathematical derivation and questioning the correctness of certain steps and assumptions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the integral \int_{\theta_-}^{\theta_+}\sin(\theta) d\theta simplifies to 2 \cos|\theta_{\pm}|, suggesting an alternative result of 2 \left( 1 - \cos(\theta_+) \right).
  • Another participant notes that the integral of sin(θ) is -cos(θ), leading to a definite integral expressed as cos(θ-) - cos(θ+).
  • A participant argues that since Cos[t] = Cos[-t], the integral should be zero, citing the symmetry of the sine function about the origin.
  • This claim is challenged by another participant who clarifies that sine is an odd function, thus the earlier assertion about symmetry was incorrect.
  • A later reply reiterates the original question about the integral and points out that the range of θ is symmetric about θ = π/2, not θ = 0, leading to θ- = π - θ+.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the evaluation of the integral and the implications of symmetry in the context of the sine function. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation or simplification of the integral.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings regarding the properties of sine and cosine functions, as well as the specific conditions under which the integral is evaluated. The symmetry of the range of integration is also a point of contention.

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Hello,

I was following the derivation of the solid angle of right rectangular pyramid that I found at http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~bgerke/notes/solid_angle.pdf" .

I don't quite understand the step between the 3rd to the 4th equation. In particular how the integral

[tex]\int_{\theta_-}^{\theta_+}\sin(\theta) d\theta[/tex]

becomes,

[tex]2 \cos|\theta_{\pm}|[/tex]

Where [tex]\theta_{\pm} = \cot^{-1} (\tan\left( \pm \alpha/2)cos\phi \right)[/tex]

According to my calculation it should be:
[tex]2 \left( 1 - \cos(\theta_+) \right)[/tex]

Where is my mistake?
 
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I am not sure what they are doing. However the integral of sinθ is -cosθ, so the definite integral is
cosθ- - cosθ+.
 
Since Cos[t] = Cos[-t], the integral should be identically 0. If you think about it, Sin is symmetric about the origin: hence any definite integral centered on 0 (i.e. - {-t -> t}) MUST 'sum' to 0.
 
earnric said:
Since Cos[t] = Cos[-t], the integral should be identically 0. If you think about it, Sin is symmetric about the origin: hence any definite integral centered on 0 (i.e. - {-t -> t}) MUST 'sum' to 0.

Your point is valid for the sine, except that it is an odd function, not an even (symmetric) function.
 
mathman said:
Your point is valid for the sine, except that it is an odd function, not an even (symmetric) function.

Oops! My bad: symmetric is the wrong word. As you realized, Sin reflects THRU the origin -- about both x and y... not just the y-axis as I implied.

Sorry!
 
mnb96 said:
Hello,

I was following the derivation of the solid angle of right rectangular pyramid that I found at http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~bgerke/notes/solid_angle.pdf.

I don't quite understand the step between the 3rd to the 4th equation. In particular how the integral

[tex]\int_{\theta_-}^{\theta_+}\sin(\theta) d\theta[/tex]

becomes,

[tex]2 \cos|\theta_{\pm}|[/tex]

Where [tex]\theta_{\pm} = \cot^{-1} (\tan\left( \pm \alpha/2)cos\phi \right)[/tex]

According to my calculation it should be:
[tex]2 \left( 1 - \cos(\theta_+) \right)[/tex]

Where is my mistake?
The range of θ is symmetric about θ = π/2, not about θ = 0. So θ- = π - θ+.
 

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