Solid Angle of the Sun Derivation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the solid angle subtended by the Sun as perceived from Earth. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and approximations involved in calculating this solid angle, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of the derivation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the derivation of the solid angle from the linear angle, specifically how the formula \(\Omega = \pi \sin^2(16')\) is applied without clear justification for treating \(\sin(16')\) as a radius.
  • Others propose an alternative approach, suggesting that the solid angle should be defined as the ratio of the subtended area to the square of the distance to that area, leading to the expression \(\pi r^2/R^2\).
  • One participant emphasizes the use of the small angle approximation, stating that \(r/R = \tan(\theta) \approx \sin(\theta)\) for small angles, which can be substituted into the solid angle expression.
  • Another participant provides a recalculation of the solid angle using the diameter of the Sun and its distance from Earth, arriving at a different numerical value and expressing concern about the clarity of earlier explanations.
  • One participant cautions that while the approximations provided are reasonable for small angles, they may not hold for larger angles, emphasizing that the solid angle is fundamentally based on the area of a spherical cap rather than a flat circle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the derivation of the solid angle, with some agreeing on the use of approximations while others challenge the clarity and correctness of the methods used. No consensus is reached on a definitive approach or formula.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on small angle approximations and the potential breakdown of the derived formulas at larger angles. The discussion also highlights the difference between flat area calculations and spherical geometry in the context of solid angles.

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I read in a paper the following passage:

"We take the sun to subtend a linear angle of 32 arc-minutes. The solid angle is derived as \Omega=\pi sin^{2}16'=6.8x10^{-5} sr"

I don't understand how the formula to go from linear angle to solid angle is just found by taking the area treating sin(16') as a radius. Can someone explain?
 
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Use diameter of 900,000 miles and distance of 94 million miles. So linear subtended angle is d = 9.57 milliradians = 32.9 arc-minutes. So radius is 16' and area is pi R2, so solid angle is pi x sin2(16') = 7.2 x 10-5 sterads.
 
Bob S said:
Use diameter of 900,000 miles and distance of 94 million miles. So linear subtended angle is d = 9.57 milliradians = 32.9 arc-minutes. So radius is 16' and area is pi R2, so solid angle is pi x sin2(16') = 7.2 x 10-5 sterads.
This derivation is not clear to me. You say that "radius is 16' ", so you're equating a length to an angle, then you insert sine of that angle without explanation.

Here's what I would say instead: The solid angle is defined as the ratio of the subtended area (pi*r^2 for the "disk" of the Sun) to the square of the radial distance to that area (R, the distance to the Sun). This would give us pi*r^2/R^2.

In this case, we are given the subtended angle rather than either radius value, so for convenience we use the small angle approximation:

r/R = tan(theta) ~ sin(theta), where theta is half the angle subtended by the disk. Plug that in the expression above and you'll get the desired expression.
 
belliott4488 said:
This derivation is not clear to me. You say that "radius is 16' ", so you're equating a length to an angle, then you insert sine of that angle without explanation..

You are correct. Actually, to get the correct value, we have to go back to my post:
Use diameter of 900,000 miles and distance of 94 million miles. So linear subtended angle is d = 9.57 milliradians.
Solid angle = pi d2/4 = pi (.00957)2/4 = 7.193 x 10-5 sr
 
The previous posts give a perfectly good approximation for the case in question, but I don't want anyone to go away thinking it's exactly right - it would break down at larger angles.
The solid angle is not based on the area of the disc (or other 2-d shape) at a given distance. It is based on a section of the surface of a sphere.
E.g. for the sun, imagine a transparent sphere of unit radius centred on the observer. Draw the outline of the sun on the sphere, as perceived by the observer. The solid angle is the area of the spherical cap inside that drawn circle. This is slightly greater than the area of the flat 2-d circle.
In the extreme, the solid angle subtended by the entire enclosing sphere is 4 pi.
 

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