MHB Solids of Revolution - Negative Volume

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of a solid of revolution using the cylindrical shell method for the function y = x^2 - 5x + 6, specifically when rotating about the y-axis. The initial calculation yielded a negative volume due to the chosen height being below the x-axis, which prompted a query about correcting this issue. Participants clarified that the height should be represented as -f(x) to ensure a positive volume calculation. The conversation also highlighted the importance of visualizing the volume element and understanding the underlying concepts rather than just memorizing formulas. Overall, the thread emphasizes the significance of proper setup in integration for solids of revolution to avoid negative results.
  • #31
I like Serena said:
Hmm... can you redo the following integral with a couple more steps? (Wondering)
$$\int_{-1}^{1} (x^2+y^2)dx$$

I had no idea what to do, but I thought of y^2 as a constant since we're integrating with respect to x.

$$= [\frac{x^3}{3}]_{-1}^1=\frac{2}{3}$$

EDIT: Somehow, I thought the integral of a constant was 0. Let me re-work this.
 
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  • #32
Rido12 said:
I had no idea what to do, but I thought of y^2 as a constant since we're integrating with respect to x.

$$= [\frac{x^3}{3}]_{-1}^1$$

Yep! Let's treat $y^2$ as a constant.
Let's suppose $y^2=2$ for a minute, so it really looks like a constant.
What is:
$$\int 2\,dx$$
 
  • #33
I like Serena said:
Yep! Let's treat $y^2$ as a constant.
Let's suppose $y^2=2$ for a minute, so it really looks like a constant.
What is:
$$\int 2\,dx$$

It's $2x$. I think I can do this now. I knew it was a constant, so I got excited when I was doing it, but I really have no clue why I thought the integral of a constant was 0...
 
  • #34
Rido12 said:
It's $2x$. I think I can do this now. I knew it was a constant, so I got excited when I was doing it, but I really have no clue why I thought the integral of a constant was 0...

Oh, I know.
The derivative of a constant is 0.
It means that the anti-derivative of 0 is a constant, which is the other way around.
I suspect you were just mixing them up, which is a pretty normal thing to do.
 
  • #35
$$V=\int_{-1}^{1}\int_{-1}^{1} x^2+y^2 \,dx \,dy$$
$$=\int_{-1}^{1} [\frac{x^3}{3}+xy^2]_{-1}^1\,dy$$
$$=\int_{-1}^{1}\frac{2}{3}+2y^2\,dy$$
$$=\frac{2}{3}[y+y^3]_{-1}^1$$
$$=\frac{8}{3} units^3$$

:D :D :D
 
  • #36
Rido12 said:
$$V=\int_{-1}^{1}\int_{-1}^{1} x^2+y^2 \,dx \,dy$$
$$=\int_{-1}^{1} [\frac{x^3}{3}+xy^2]_{-1}^1\,dy$$
$$=\int_{-1}^{1}\frac{2}{3}+2y^2\,dy$$
$$=\frac{2}{3}[y+y^3]_{-1}^1$$
$$=\frac{8}{3} units^3$$

:D :D :D

Yep! (Emo)
 
  • #37
Yup, using advice from this thread, I can now solve most types of these questions. In particular, I'm happy to have gotten this one right: Find the volume of the frustum of a cone whose lower base is of radius R, upper base is of radius r, and altitude is h.

I also want to point out, although not another "method", but some questions require the use of this formula (which is kind of obvious): (I guess you can say the disc/washer method uses this too, technically)

$$V= \int A(x) dx$$

"A solid has a circular base of radius 4 units. Find the volume of the solid if every plane perpendicular to the fixed diameter is an isosceles right triangle with the hypotenuse in the plane of the base".
 
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