Solids of Rotation bounded by y=bx^(1/2)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of a solid of revolution formed by revolving the region bounded by the curve \(y = b\sqrt{x}\) and the line \(x = a\) around the axis \(x = a\). Participants explore different methods for finding this volume, including the disk and cylindrical shell methods, and later discuss the implications of a changing parameter \(a\) over time.

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  • One participant presents the volume calculation using both the disk and cylindrical shell methods, providing integrals for each approach.
  • Another participant confirms the setup of the integrals but finds discrepancies in the results compared to the original poster's calculations.
  • A participant suggests corrections to the integration process, indicating potential errors in the expansion of terms.
  • Further corrections are made regarding the limits of integration and the proper application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (FTOC).
  • Participants discuss the benefits of using multiple methods to verify results, emphasizing the practice value for students.
  • In a later part, a participant introduces a time-dependent aspect of the problem, proposing a differentiation of the volume with respect to time and providing a formula for the rate of change of volume.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the derived expression for the rate of change of volume.

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Participants generally agree on the methods used for volume calculation and the correctness of the final expressions derived. However, there are discrepancies in initial calculations and interpretations that remain unresolved, particularly regarding the integration steps.

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Some participants express uncertainty about specific integration steps and the transformation of variables during calculations. The discussion includes corrections and refinements without reaching a consensus on the initial errors.

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For $a>0$, let $V$ be the volume created by revolving the region bounded by $y=b\sqrt{x}$ and $x=a$ around the axis $x=a$. The units of $x$, $y$, and $a$ are $[m]$. The units of $b$ are $[m^{1/2}]$. The value of $b$ remains fixed.

For fun and practice, I did this question both with cylindrical and disk method. Also, I'm going to ignore the units for now.

Disk method:


$$dV=\pi \left((a-\left(\frac{y}{b}\right)^2\right)^2dy$$$$V=\pi \int_{0}^{b\sqrt{a}} \left((a-\left(\frac{y}{b}\right)^2\right)^2\,dy$$$$V=\pi a^{5/2}b\left(1-\frac{2b}{3}+\frac{b^3}{5}\right)$$

Cylindrical Shell method:


$$dV=2\pi (a-x)(b\sqrt{x})dx$$
$$V=2\pi \int_{0}^{a} (a-x)(b\sqrt{x})\,dx$$
$$V=\frac{6}{5}\pi a^{5/2}b$$

Anyone find my mistake?
 
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Your integrals are correctly set up in both cases. When I evaluate them, I get the same result, which is different from both results you obtained.
 
Disk method:

I am treating $a$ and $b$ as constants.

$$V=\pi \int_{0}^{b\sqrt{a}} a^2y-\frac{2a}{3b}y^3+\frac{y^5}{5b}\,dy$$
$$V=\pi \left(a^2\sqrt{a}b-\frac{2}{3}a\frac{b^3a\sqrt{a}}{b}+\frac{b^5a^2\sqrt{a}}{5b}\right)\,$$
$$V=\pi \left(a^{5/2}b-\frac{2}{3}a^{5/2}b^2+\frac{b^4}{5}a^{5/2}\right)$$

Please correct me :D
 
Check your expansion of:

$$\left(a-\frac{y^2}{b^2}\right)^2$$

You have made some errors which prevent a nice compact end result. :D
 
Oopps, I mistyped a line. Should have doubled checked, but still something wrong.

$$V=\pi \int_{0}^{b\sqrt{a}} a^2y-\frac{2a}{3b}y^3+\frac{y^5}{5b}\,dy$$

should be:

$$V=\pi (a^2y-\frac{2a}{3b}y^3+\frac{y^5}{5b})\,|_{0}^{b\sqrt{a}}$$

which I got from integrating this:

$$V=\pi \int_{0}^{b\sqrt{a}} a^2-2a\frac{y^2}{b^2}+\frac{y^4}{b^4}\,dy$$
 
Okay, this is correct:

$$V=\pi\int_0^{b\sqrt{a}} a^2-\frac{2a}{b^2}y^2+\frac{1}{b^4}y^4\,dy$$

Now, try applying the FTOC...what is the anti-derivative?
 
MarkFL said:
Okay, this is correct:

$$V=\pi\int_0^{b\sqrt{a}} a^2-\frac{2a}{b^2}y^2+\frac{1}{b^4}y^4\,dy$$

Now, try applying the FTOC...what is the anti-derivative?

I think I'm getting these wrong because I was in a rush. For the other method, my $x$ transformed into an $a$ halfway through the problem so I ended up integrating the wrong variable. I checked this like 5 times, so it escaped me 5 times...(Tmi)

$$V=\pi (a^2y-\frac{2a}{b^2}\frac{y^3}{3}+\frac{1}{b^4}\frac{y^5}{5})|_0^{b\sqrt{a}}$$

If this is wrong, I will immediately enroll myself back in an algebra 1 class...(Speechless)
 
You will not have to enroll in an algebra class, that is correct...now finish out the FTOC...what do you get?
 
Went back and fixed my cylindrical method too, and voila! I got for both:

$$V=\frac{8}{15}\pi a^{5/2}b$$

Thanks Mark, as always! (Cool)
 
  • #10
Yes, good work! (Yes)
 
  • #11
By the way, you are doing yourself good by trying to use two methods on solids of revolution...not only is it a way to check your work, but it is good practice as well. :D

Sometimes it is impractical to use two methods, but when you can, I highly recommend it to all students.
 
  • #12
Now for part two of the problem: (Nod)

Part II:
Suppose that $a$ changes with time and the axis moves horizontally at a rate of $\left(b\sqrt{a}-\frac{b^3}{\sqrt{a}}\right)/\tau$ m/s, where $\tau$ has units $$ and is a constant. Find the rate of increase of $V$ with time.

In part a), we determined that $V=\frac{8}{15}\pi a^{5/2}b$. Since $a$ will be moving horizontally with time, $b$ is still constant. Differentiating both sides w.r.t time, $t$:

$$\d{V}{t}=\frac{8}{15}\pi \frac{5}{2}a^{3/2}\d{a}{t}b$$

We know that $\d{a}{t}=\left(b\sqrt{a}-\frac{b^3}{\sqrt{a}}\right)/\tau$:$$\d{V}{t}=\frac{8}{15}\pi \frac{5}{2}a^{3/2}b\left(b\sqrt{a}-\frac{b^3}{\sqrt{a}}\right)/\tau $$
$$=\frac{4}{3}\frac{ab^2\left(a-b^2\right)}{\tau}$$

Is that correct?

There will be a Part III (Headbang)
 
  • #13
Yep, looks good to me. (Yes)
 
  • #14
Part III is just optimizing the volume, actually. I'm sure I can figure that out. Thanks Mark! :D
 

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