Solns to complex eigenvector eq's

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The discussion revolves around finding complex eigenvectors associated with given matrices. Participants are exploring methods to solve eigenvalue problems, particularly focusing on matrices that include complex numbers.

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  • Participants discuss various methods for finding eigenvectors, including trial and error, row reduction, and direct application of the eigenvalue definition. Some express uncertainty about the effectiveness of their approaches and seek clarification on the steps involved.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods for solving the eigenvector problems. Some participants have shared their calculations and findings, while others are questioning the validity of their approaches and seeking confirmation on their understanding of the concepts involved.

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Some participants mention the potential complexity of the material, noting that it may not be covered in all linear algebra courses, particularly regarding complex numbers. There are also references to specific matrices and eigenvalues being discussed, which may imply constraints on the problem setup.

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I have the following complex eigenvector:
-1+2i -5 0
1 1+2i 0

What is the best way to go about solving these problems? I've done a few by inspection/trial&error, but I believe there has to be a more formal way to do it.
 
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cue928 said:
I have the following complex eigenvector:
-1+2i -5 0
1 1+2i 0
What is this? It doesn't look like a vector. It might be helpful for us to see the whole problem.
cue928 said:
What is the best way to go about solving these problems? I've done a few by inspection/trial&error, but I believe there has to be a more formal way to do it.
 
Sorry in advance for not knowing how to do the formatting on here...
x1' = x1 - 5x2
x2' = x1 + 3x2
(1's, 2's are subscripts)
Matrix form:
1 -5
1 3

Then this matrix:
1-lambda -5
1 3-lambda
I solved this for lambda 2+- 2i
using 2-2i, I came up with the following matrix:
-1+2i 5
1 1+2i
 
OK, I see what you're doing now - you are trying to row-reduce two matrices like this (this is the one for the 2 + 2i eigenvalue):
[tex]\begin{bmatrix} -1 - 2i & -5\\1 & 1 - 2i\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

Note - you can click the matrix to see how I formatted the LaTeX.

If you add the first row to (1 + 2i) times the second row, you get this matrix:
[tex]\begin{bmatrix} -1 - 2i & -5\\0 & 0\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

Since you're trying to find a solution for Ax = 0, where x = <x1, x2>, the matrix above indicates that (-1 - 2i)x1 -5x2 = 0, or x1 = -5/(1 + 2i) *x2.


If my arithmetic is all right, this says that x1 = [-1 + 2i]x2
EDIT: It wasn't correct, but it's fixed now.

Set x2 = 1 to get a value for x1, and you'll have one of your eigenvectors.

Do the same for the matrix, using the other eigenvalue.
 
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The answer the book provides is:
x1(t) = e^2t(-5c1 Cos 2t - 5C2 sin 2t)
x2(t) = e^2t[(c1+2c2) cos 2t + (-2c1 + c2) sin 2t]

Deconstructing that, I thought the eigenvector would be: [-5 1+2i]
Multiplying that by -1+2i -5 = 0
 
For example, here's another one on which I was working::
[tex] \begin{bmatrix} 2-4i & -5\\4 & -2-4i\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

By trial/error, I got V=[5 2-4i]

But, I am worried that there is a different way I should be doing it.
 
My arithmetic was in error, but I've fixed it now.

An eigenvector for the eigenvalue 2 + 2i is
[tex]\begin{bmatrix} -1 + 2i \\ 1\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

I have checked this by comparing Ax and λx (they were equal), where
[tex]A = \begin{bmatrix} 1 & -5 \\ 1&3\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
λ = 2 + 2i, and x as above.
 
cue928 said:
For example, here's another one on which I was working::
[tex] \begin{bmatrix} 2-4i & -5\\4 & -2-4i\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

By trial/error, I got V=[5 2-4i]

But, I am worried that there is a different way I should be doing it.
Yes, you should not be doing these by trial and error. Assuming the matrix above is A - λI, row reduce the matrix to get a row of zeroes, just as I did in my earlier post.
 
I definitely follow the row reduction you used on the one earlier but let me make sure I have the next step right b/c I don't see how you got from there to the eigenvector:
You had (-1-2i)x1 - 5x2 =
You are using a value of 1 for x2 so (-1-2i)x1 = 5?
 
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EDIT: I think I see this now, will be trying a few more to see if I have this method down. Just out of curiosity, is this considered material that would be covered in linear algebra? Or did I miss it somewhere else?
 
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cue928 said:
I definitely follow the row reduction you used on the one earlier but let me make sure I have the next step right b/c I don't see how you got from there to the eigenvector:
You had (-1-2i)x1 - 5x2 =
You are using a value of 1 for x2 so (-1-2i)x1 = 5?
Yes, so x1 = 5/(-1 - 2i) and an eigenvector would be <5/(-1 - 2i), 1>. This should be cleaned up a bit, though, by multiplying the first coordinate by (-1 + 2i)/(-1 + 2i).

cue928 said:
EDIT: I think I see this now, will be trying a few more to see if I have this method down. Just out of curiosity, is this considered material that would be covered in linear algebra? Or did I miss it somewhere else?
Yes, linear algebra, but some courses might not do much with complex numbers.
 
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I have never particularly liked "row-reduction" for finding eigenvectors- perhaps just because that was not the method I first learned.

Instead, I use the basic definition of "eigenvalue". If 2+ 2i is an eigenvalue, then there exist a vector such that
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}1 & -5 \\ 1 & 3\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}(2+ 2i)x \\ (2+ 2i)y\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

That gives the two equations: x- 5y= (2+ 2i)x and x+ 3y= (2+ 2i)y. The first equation becomes -5y= (1+ 2i)x or y= (-1/5- 2i/5)x. If we take x= 5, y= -1- 2i and then, just as a check, the second equation is 5- 3- 6i= 2- 6i and (2+2i)(-1- 2i)= -2-4i- 2i+ 4= 2- 6i, which is correct. An eigenvector corresponding to eigenvalue 2+ 2i is
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}5 \\ -1- 2i\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
 

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