Solubility of Salicylic Acid: Acid vs Base Form

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The discussion revolves around the solubility of salicylic acid in buffered solutions, particularly at a pH equal to its pKa. Participants explore how the solubility changes between the acid and its conjugate base forms and the conditions under which each form may precipitate from solution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the intrinsic solubility of salicylic acid is 2 g/L and questions the form of the drug that precipitates at pH = pKa.
  • Another participant suggests that the answer to the precipitation form depends on the solubility of the salicylate itself, comparing it to calculations involving Ksp for competing weakly soluble salts.
  • A participant clarifies that at pH = pKa, the concentrations of salicylic acid and salicylate are equal, but expresses confusion regarding the conditions for precipitation.
  • One participant proposes that when pH < 1, precipitation will occur as salicylic acid, while at pH > 5, it will be salicylate. They express uncertainty about the precipitation form when 1 < pH < 5.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of solubility products (Ksp) for both forms and suggests that one can calculate the conditions under which precipitation occurs based on total concentrations and pH.
  • A later reply acknowledges that both species can potentially precipitate once the pH is fixed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific conditions under which each form precipitates, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the solubility and precipitation behavior of salicylic acid and salicylate.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the solubility of salicylate and the conditions for precipitation are dependent on specific pH values and total concentrations, which may lead to non-equilibrium conditions affecting the outcomes.

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Brief clarification on the solubility of drugs based on pH.
The intrinsic solubility of salicylic acid is 2 g / L.
Suppose to put it in a buffered solution at pH = pKa = 4.76. In this situation, the total solubility increases and [acid] = [ coniugate base]. If this solubility is reached in solution, in what form does the drug precipitate? in the form of salicylic acid or salicylate?
 
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pisluca99 said:
and [acid] = [ coniugate base].

Not sure what you mean by that, please elaborate.

pisluca99 said:
If this solubility is reached in solution, in what form does the drug precipitate? in the form of salicylic acid or salicylate?

I don't think there is an universal answer to that. Depends on what is the solubility of the salicylate itself. This is not different from calculations done using Ksp for competing weakly soluble salts.
 
Borek said:
Not sure what you mean by that, please elaborate.

Sorry, I meant that pKa of salicylic acid Is about 3, so when pH = pKa, [salicylic acid]=[salicylate]. I got confused with pKa of acetic acid.

I don't think there is an universal answer to that. Depends on what is the solubility of the salicylate itself. This is not different from calculations done using Ksp for competing weakly soluble salts.

Can you make an example please?
Essentially, when pH Is < 1 (in this case), Stot=S0 of the acid (intrinsic solubility), so we can see precipitation of salicylic acid if its concentration reaches S0. Indeed, when pH Is > 5, Stot = S0 of the base (intrinsic solubility), so we can see precipitation of salicylate. But when 1<pH<5 we cannot neglect one of the two forms, so if we reach Stot= [acid] + [base] in solution, which form precipitates? I'm a bit confused.
 
Starting from "solubility product" you can write conditions for the precipitate to show as

Ksp1 = [SalH] (for the acid, and obviously [SalH] is a function of the total concentration and pH)

Ksp2 = [Sal-][Na+] (for the salt)

For a given pH and total concentrations of salicylate and Na+ you can always calculate whether one of the conditions is meet. If so - you know what starts to precipitate.

If both are met - something started to precipitate earlier, on your way to reach the conditions (and preparation of the solution with given parameters is actually impossible, unless we get into non-equilibrium conditions).
 
ok, so both species can potentially precipitate, once the pH is fixed. Thank you.
 

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