Solution by Iteration: Nonrecursive Formula for a_n = 2(n+1)^n

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The discussion revolves around expressing a recursive formula for a sequence defined by a_n = (n+1)a_{n-1} with a_0 = 2 as a nonrecursive formula using the technique of iteration. Participants are exploring the relationship between the recursive and nonrecursive forms of the sequence.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to derive a nonrecursive formula by iterating the recursive definition and substituting previous terms. Some express confusion about discrepancies between their proposed formulas and the recursive results, while others suggest checking specific values to identify patterns.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct nonrecursive formula, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. Some have identified potential mistakes in their approaches, while others are encouraging further investigation into the relationship between the terms.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. The discussion includes checking values against a spreadsheet for verification.

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[SOLVED] Recurrence Relations

Homework Statement


I need to express this recursive statement as a nonrecursive formula, using the technique of itteration.

a_n = (n+1)a_{n-1}
a_0 = 2

The Attempt at a Solution


a_n = (n+1)a_{n-1}
a_n = (n+1)(n+1)a_{n-2} = (n+1)^{2}a_{n-2}
a_n = (n+1)(n+1)(n+1)a_{n-3} = (n+1)^{3}a_{n-3}
a_n = (n+1)^{n}a_{n-n}
a_n = 2(n+1)^{n}

I plugged both the recursive formula, and my answer, into MS-Excel, and they don't match up. They work for n = 0,1, but then my answer start getting larger than the recursive one.
 
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Here's the spreadsheet I'm using to check my answer.

First column is n
Second column is the recursive
Third column is my proposed answer
 

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Goldenwind said:
a_n = (n+1)a_{n-1}
a_0 = 2

Hi Goldenwind! :smile:

With these recurrence questions, always start by working out what a_n+2 is in terms of a_n.

Then a_n+3.

By then, you should have a good idea of what is happening.

So … what is happening? :smile:
 
a_n = (n+1)a_{n-1}

Which is the same as
\frac{a_{n+1}}{n+1} = a_{n}\frac{a_{n+2}}{{(n+1)}^2} = a_{n}\frac{a_{n+3}}{{(n+1)}^3} = a_{n}

I still don't see my mistake :(
This is pretty much what I did above, only the other way around >.>
 
Goldenwind said:
a_n = (n+1)a_{n-1}

Which is the same as
\frac{a_{n+1}}{n+1} = a_{n}


\frac{a_{n+2}}{{(n+1)}^2} = a_{n}


\frac{a_{n+3}}{{(n+1)}^3} = a_{n}

No no no … :frown:

First, don't rearrange the formula - it's simplest as it is!

Then … be careful!

You should have a_{n+2}\,=\,(n+2)a_{n+1}\,=\,(n+2)(n+1)a_n\,.

So … the nonrecursive formula is … ? :smile:
 
I always start a problem involving any kind of sequence by working out a few values!

a_1= (1+1)a_0= 2a_0
a_2= (2+1)a_1= 3a_1= 3(2)a_0
a_3= (3+1)a_2= 4a_2= 4(3)(2)a_0
a_4= (4+1)a_3= 5a_3= 5(4)(3)(2)a_0

Anything come to mind?
 
a_n = 2(n+1)!
...is what it looks like to me.

However, even if I know the formula, I need to demonstrate that this *is* the formula, via iteration.

As in, I start out with a_n = (n+1)a_{n-1}, then replace a_{n-1} with a_{n-1} = (n+1)a_{n-2}, then replace a_{n-2} with a_{n-2} = (n+1)a_{n-3}, and so on, until I get to a_{n-n} = a_0, where I can simply sub in the given base value, as shown above.
 
Yeah, I see my mistake... when I replaced n with n-1, or n-1 with n-2, I didn't change the (n+1) at all. Doing so would lead to the factorial, instead of (n+1)^n.

Thank you for your help :)
 

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