Solution of a Differential Equation?

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation represented by the slope field for \(\frac{dP}{dt} = 0.0333P(30−P)\) with the initial condition that the solution passes through the point (0,0). Participants are exploring the implications of this equation and the behavior of its solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using separable differential equations and partial fractions to solve the problem, but express confusion regarding the initial condition and undefined values encountered during their attempts.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints regarding the behavior of the slope field and the nature of the solutions, noting that certain constant functions satisfy the differential equation. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted challenge with the initial condition leading to undefined values, and participants are questioning the implications of dividing by terms that could be zero, which affects the validity of their approaches.

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Homework Statement


The slope field for the equation [itex]\frac{dP}{dt} = 0.0333P(30−P)[/itex], for [itex]P\geq0[/itex], is shown below.
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What is the equation of the solution to this differential equation that passes through (0,0)?

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm completely clueless as to how this is to be done. I tried using separable differential equations to solve this, but it didn't give me the right answer as I submitted it, the the website (this question comes from my online homework) said it was wrong. I would like someone to give me a hint as to how to approach this problem, and then I'll proceed with my attempt, thanks.
 
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τheory said:

Homework Statement


The slope field for the equation [itex]\frac{dP}{dt} = 0.0333P(30−P)[/itex], for [itex]P\geq0[/itex], is shown below.
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What is the equation of the solution to this differential equation that passes through (0,0)?

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm completely clueless as to how this is to be done. I tried using separable differential equations to solve this, but it didn't give me the right answer as I submitted it, the the website (this question comes from my online homework) said it was wrong. I would like someone to give me a hint as to how to approach this problem, and then I'll proceed with my attempt, thanks.

Separation of variables should work. It's hard to guess what went wrong unless you show us your work.

[Edit - added] Note the direction field itself gives a large hint.
 
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Well I used partial fractions to solve this differential equation and I got this:
[itex]-ln(\frac{|P-30|}{P}) = t + C[/itex]

If I try to solve for C using the initial condition (0,0), then I get that [itex]-ln(\frac{30}{0}) = C[/itex], which is undefined. If C is undefined, then what do you do?
 
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Well I used partial fractions to solve this differential equation and I got this:
[itex]-ln(\frac{|P-30|}{P}) = t + C[/itex]

If I try to solve for C using the initial condition (0,0), then I get that [itex]-ln(\frac{30}{0}) = C[/itex], which is undefined. If C is undefined, then what do you do?

Yes, you do run into a problem with separation of variables, which is why I added the hint. The problem is that as soon as you divide by P(30-P) you are disallowing the solutions P identically 0 or P identically 30. Yet if you check the original equation you will find that they work. And one of them satisfies your initial conditions. Look at your direction field and see if those don't look like solutions.
 
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Wait how am I suppose to generate an equation from looking at the differential field?
 
Unfortunately, that slope field is misleading. At (0,0), it appears that the slope is slightly negative but it clearly is not. If P= 0, dP/dt= 0.0333(0)(30- 0)= 0.
Now, what is the simplest function that is 0 at t= 0 and has derivative 0 there? What is its derivative for all t?
 
Okay well I tried P = 0 and it worked; I knew this could be an answer but that it couldn't have been this simple. :confused:
 
It should be clear that if P(t)= 0 for all t or P(t)= 30 for all t, then the right hand side of
dP/dt= 0.0333P(30- P) is 0. Of course, since those are constant functions so the left side, dP/dt= 0.
 

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