Solution: Solving a Tricky Limit Problem

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The problem involves evaluating the limit as x approaches negative infinity for the expression x(pi - 2arctan(x^(2/3))). Participants are exploring methods to resolve an undefined form encountered in the limit calculation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the potential use of l'Hôpital's theorem but express constraints against its application. There are attempts to manipulate the expression algebraically, leading to further undefined forms. Questions arise about the properties of the arctan function and alternative substitutions to simplify the limit.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing various attempts and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding substitutions and exploring properties of the arctan function, but no consensus or resolution has been reached yet.

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Participants mention restrictions imposed by their teacher regarding the use of certain methods, such as l'Hôpital's theorem, and express uncertainty about deriving functions like arctan.

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Homework Statement



lim x(pi-2arctan(x^(2/3)))
x->-∞

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know how to remove undefined form. Can someone give me a hint? Thanks in advance.
 
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l'Hopitals theorem?
 
micromass said:
l'hospital's theorem?

I can't use that so can i do xpi-2xarctan(x^(2/3)) which will become:

xpi-[(2arctan(x^2/3)/x^(2/3)]*x(^5/3) , but even that still gives an undefined form.
 
mtayab1994 said:
I can't use that so can i do xpi-2xarctan(x^(2/3)) which will become:

xpi-[(2arctan(x^2/3)/x^(2/3)]*x(^5/3) , but even that still gives an undefined form.

Why can't you use it?
 
micromass said:
Why can't you use it?

Not aloud to use it. Our teacher says it's just used to check if your limit is correct. Plus we still haven't learned how to derive the arctan function.
 
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Is there any other way on how to factor it so you can put t=arctan(x^(2/3)). My attempt still gave me -∞+∞ which is undefined.
 
Which properties of the arctan function are available?

t=arctan(x^(2/3))
This would allow to replace the x with some function of t. How does your new limit look like?
 
mfb said:
Which properties of the arctan function are available?


This would allow to replace the x with some function of t. How does your new limit look like?

Well i did something else here is what i did.

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow-\infty}x\pi-\frac{arctan(\sqrt[3]{x^{2}})}{\sqrt[3]{x^{2}}}\cdot2\sqrt[3]{x^{5}}[/tex]
 
Well, those terms all diverge, so it does not look very useful.
 
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mfb said:
Well, those terms all diverge, so it does not look very useful.

Yes that is what it looks like to me. Do you know what I can use?
 
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Try mfb's suggestion to get rid of the arctan. Then do another substitution so that the variable tends to 0 from above. That will make things clearer.
 

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