Solution to Time Dilation Problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a time dilation problem involving two events occurring simultaneously in one inertial frame and their time difference as measured in another moving frame. The participants explore the application of the Lorentz transformation and length contraction in special relativity to solve the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a problem involving two events that are 4 km apart and simultaneous in one frame, seeking to find the time difference in another frame where the events are 5 km apart.
  • Another participant suggests using the Lorentz transformation, noting that the position of the origin is arbitrary and proposes setting one event at the origin.
  • A participant calculates the time difference using the Lorentz transformation but arrives at a different result than a reference book, indicating a potential math error.
  • Another participant proposes using units where the speed of light c=1 to simplify calculations, leading to a corrected time difference.
  • The initial poster acknowledges a mistake in their calculations after receiving assistance from others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no explicit consensus on the correct time difference initially, as participants identify potential errors in calculations. However, the final acknowledgment of a mistake suggests a resolution for the initial poster.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the use of the Lorentz transformation and the choice of units, which may affect the calculations. There is also an indication of a dependency on the correct interpretation of the problem's parameters.

Who May Find This Useful

Students or individuals interested in special relativity, particularly those working on problems involving time dilation and Lorentz transformations.

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Hey all, I'm having a bit of trouble with this problem.

Two events occur in an inertial system K at the same time but 4 km apart. What is the time difference measured in a system K' moving between these two events when the distance separation of the events is measured to be 5 km?

I though I could use the length contraction equation to find the speed the frame is traveling and use that in the time dilation equation, but I don't know the proper time. I found the speed of frame K' to be 0.6c with respect to K.

Thanks in advance for any help you guys give.
 
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Do you know how to use the Lorentz transformation? The position of the origin is arbitrary, so you can just say one of the two events occurs at the origin (x=0 and t=0 in system K), and then in the K frame the other must be at x=4 km, t=0 since they are simultaneous. Then you can use the Lorentz transform to get x' and t' for the second event in the K' frame...
 
Yeah x' is given to us in the problem. It's 5 km. So when I use the equation t' = [t-(vx/c^2)]/0.8, I get t' = 1.25e^-5 s which would be the time difference, but the book says 1.0e^-5.
 
atarr3 said:
Yeah x' is given to us in the problem. It's 5 km. So when I use the equation t' = [t-(vx/c^2)]/0.8, I get t' = 1.25e^-5 s which would be the time difference, but the book says 1.0e^-5.
I think you just made a math error somewhere. The math in these problems is always easier if you use units where c=1, so instead of x=4 km, plug in x=(4/299792.458)=1.334e^-5 light seconds, and since t=0 this gives t' = -0.6*(1.334e^-5)/0.8 = -1.0e^-5 seconds
 
Ah yes I got it now. I had accidentally put in 5 instead of 4. Thank you so much for your help!
 

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