Solve 1D Harmonic Oscillator: Expectation Value of X is Zero

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the expectation value of position \( X \) for an eigenstate of a one-dimensional harmonic oscillator is zero. The participants are examining the mathematical framework and equations related to the harmonic oscillator, particularly focusing on the ladder operators.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are analyzing the expressions for the ladder operators and their implications for calculating the expectation value of position. There is a focus on the validity of the forms used and whether they align with standard representations. Questions are raised about the results of applying the ladder operators to the eigenstates and the implications of orthogonality in the context of the expectation value.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the interpretation of the ladder operators and their application to the eigenstates. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the operators and the resulting expectation values, with no explicit consensus reached on the final outcome.

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Participants reference specific texts and resources to support their reasoning, indicating a reliance on established literature for the definitions and properties of the operators involved. There is an acknowledgment of the orthogonality of the eigenstates in the context of the calculations being discussed.

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Homework Statement



I need to show that for an eigen state of 1D harmonic oscillator the expectation values of the position X is Zero.

Homework Equations



Using

a+=[itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{2mhw}}[/itex]([itex]\hat{Px}[/itex]+iwm[itex]\hat{x}[/itex])
a-=[itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{2mhw}}[/itex]([itex]\hat{Px}[/itex]-iwm[itex]\hat{x}[/itex])

The Attempt at a Solution



<x>=<n|x|n>=[itex]\sqrt{\frac{h}{2mw}}[/itex]<n|(a-+a+)|n=??
 
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White_M said:
Using

a+=[itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{2mhw}}[/itex]([itex]\hat{Px}[/itex]+iwm[itex]\hat{x}[/itex])
a-=[itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{2mhw}}[/itex]([itex]\hat{Px}[/itex]-iwm[itex]\hat{x}[/itex])
That doens't look like the standard form, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_harmonic_oscillator#Ladder_operator_method

You won't get ##\hat{x}## from ##a^+ + a^-## with those.

White_M said:
<x>=<n|x|n>=[itex]\sqrt{\frac{h}{2mw}}[/itex]<n|(a-+a+)|n=??
What is your question exactly? Can you figure out what
$$
\left( a^- + a^+ \right) \left|n\right\rangle
$$
results in?
 
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That doens't look like the standard form.

I used the book "Fundamentals of Quantum Mechanics for Solid State Electronics Optics" - C.Tang
Here is the link to the book :http://en.bookfi.org/book/1308543 (page 79 (pdf)).


What is your question exactly? Can you figure out what
$$
\left( a^- + a^+ \right) \left|n\right\rangle
$$
results in?

Using the a+ and a- in the link you gave I get:
<n|x|n>=[itex]\sqrt{\frac{h}{2mw}}[/itex]<n|a-+a+|n>

Now using:
a+|n>=[itex]\sqrt{n+1}[/itex]|n+1>
<n|a-=a+|n>=[itex]\sqrt{n+1}[/itex]|n+1>

I get:
<n|x|n>=2*[itex]\sqrt{\frac{h}{2mw}}[/itex]{<n|[itex]\sqrt{n+1}[/itex]|n+1>}

Now can I say that since all {n} vectors are orthogonal the expression<n|[itex]\sqrt{n+1}[/itex]|n+1>=[itex]\sqrt{n+1}[/itex]<n|n+1>=0?

Thanks
 
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Yes, you can.
 
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